Daily Wire Editor Emeritus <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/author/ben-shapiro">Ben Shapiro</a> sat down with journalist <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/topic/megyn-kelly">Megyn Kelly</a> as the two long-time friends discussed their careers, raising kids in the insanity of wokeism, transgenderism, the destruction of our culture, and signs that things might be turning around on a new episode of &#8220;<a href="https://www.dailywire.com/show/the-search">The Search</a>.&#8221;
Shapiro asked the host of the Sirius XM &#8220;The Megyn Kelly Show&#8221; podcast how she finds a balance on her show between politics and cultural issues. Kelly, however, said she&#8217;s much more interested in the culture wars.
&#8220;I feel like that just naturally attracts me and I feel like that&#8217;s the fight I&#8217;m involved in right now,&#8221; said Kelly. &#8220;Like I feel like I am fighting to save our culture.&#8221;
&#8220;All the madness that&#8217;s around our children, that&#8217;s brought out sort of my mama bear instincts and those wars are the ones that we have to fight to protect them,&#8221; she said.
&#8220;So, I always laugh because I&#8217;ll say something on the air, &#8216;like back in my day, those songs had a melody,&#8217; you know, suddenly you feel like a Tipper Gore or your grandpa, and you&#8217;re like, I don&#8217;t care,&#8221; Kelly continued. &#8220;I&#8217;m going to fight the battle anyway. &#8230; I actually would much rather talk about culture wars than politics on most days, but I do like politics.&#8221;
When it comes to culture wars, Shapiro said he hopes we have reached the bottom of the &#8220;slippery slope.&#8221; Over a decade ago, people feared that the sexualization of the culture and the rise of pornography would destroy generations. They were right, said Shapiro.
&#8220;And now it seems like the pendulum is about to swing hard the other way,&#8221; he added. &#8220;And it should. And people are looking at some of the stuff that people were laughing at 20, 30 years ago. &#8216;How could these fuddy-duddies be worried about the lyrics in their songs?&#8217; And then they see Sam Smith, and Sam Smith is actually prancing around like gender non-binary Satan, and they&#8217;re like, &#8216;Oh, maybe this maybe, maybe these people are not so wrong in the first place.'&#8221;
When the conversation turned to the transgender debate, Kelly admitted her opinions have changed over time.
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&#8220;Go back to I think it was 2008, and we have a trans person in my family,&#8221; Kelly said, adding that there was a person identifying as transgender in her husband&#8217;s family, too. &#8220;So it was actually extremely tumultuous &#8230; and I had real sympathy for this person.&#8221;
&#8220;I could see how much turmoil it was bringing into their life,&#8221; she added. &#8220;And I was defensive of the trans community on the air. And I had a sort of infamous moment with Dr. Keith Ablow, who attacked Cher&#8217;s child, Chaz Bono, formerly Chastity.&#8221;
<a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/megyn-kelly-destroys-espn-for-including-lia-thomas-in-womens-history-month-takes-down-kamala-harris">Kelly</a> said Ablow warned it could become a &#8220;social contagion,&#8221; a warning that turned out to be prescient.
The former Fox News host said she&#8217;s now crossed the &#8220;rubicon,&#8221; and gone from telling Ablow to be tolerant, to an &#8220;activist&#8221; against those invading girls&#8217; spaces.
&#8220;Like, get out, get out of our swimming pools, get out of our locker rooms, get off of our track meets, get out of there,&#8221; Kelly said. &#8220;We&#8217;ll find an accommodation for you. Hopefully you&#8217;ll get the help you need. But we are not surrendering girlhood or womanhood to you and your mental issues.&#8221;
Shapiro observed that when society &#8220;declares something heroic, you will get more of it.&#8221;
&#8220;And so the breakdown of the intermediate institutions of society here, I talk about church or family, that&#8217;s going to devastate this entire generation,&#8221; he said, noting a <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/young-americans-are-losing-their-minds-the-social-left-is-to-blame">recent study</a> about the shockingly high risk of suicide in young girls.
On the topic of the destruction of culture, Kelly pointed to people like <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/topic/kim-kardashian">Kim Kardashian</a> and the rest of her family. She admitted she doesn&#8217;t think the &#8220;Kardashian is an evil person in her heart.&#8221;
&#8220;It&#8217;s not about whether she intends evil,&#8221; the former NBC host said. &#8220;But just the other day, Jocko Willink, you know, famed Navy SEAL like the baddest bada** ever put out a short little video on Instagram and it basically said, &#8216;I want to talk to 13, 15, 17 year old boys.'&#8221;
&#8220;And he said, &#8216;I don&#8217;t know if anybody&#8217;s telling you what to do like we&#8217;re supposed to do at 13?'&#8221; she added. &#8220;He said, &#8216;Work out, put on some muscle, you know, learn how to fight any kind of fight, you know, martial arts, be able to defend yourself if you need it. Don&#8217;t drink or do drugs. Those things are bad for you.'&#8221;
&#8220;So that&#8217;s Jocko,&#8221; Kelly continued. &#8220;And then you&#8217;ve got Kim Kardashian, who is like, &#8216;look at my a**, look at my boobs. Look at me and don&#8217;t bother listening to me. Just look at me.'&#8221;
&#8220;I can&#8217;t stand what she&#8217;s doing to our culture. It&#8217;s not just her,&#8221; Kelly continued. &#8220;It&#8217;s really her whole family, but just that general personality and the messaging to our daughters in particular. &#8230; All of it is so abhorrent to me.&#8221;
The entire conversation can be seen <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/episode/ben-shapiro-with-megyn-kelly" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>.
Related: <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/woke-weak-white-woman-megyn-kelly-slams-drew-barrymore-for-praying-at-the-transgender-altar-after-kneeling-to-dylan-mulvaney">&#8216;Woke, Weak, White Woman&#8217;: Megyn Kelly Slams Drew Barrymore For &#8216;Praying At The Transgender Altar&#8217; After Kneeling To Dylan Mulvaney</a>

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