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WATCH: Garland Grilled, Won’t Commit To Ethics Inquiry Over Memo To FBI About School Protests

Johnson snaps, "We need objective third-parties to review our activities. You don’t get to make that decision yourself."
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On Thursday, Rep. Mike Johnson (R-LA) grilled Biden administration Attorney General Merrick Garland over a possible conflict of interest from the memorandum Garland issued following the letter for the National School Boards Association to President Biden in which they stated, “As these acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials have increased, the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes.”

Johnson pointed out a federal regulation dealing with rules of impartiality for executive branch employees and officials in reference to Garland’s son-in-law, who reportedly founded a company that publishes and sells materials sympathetic to Critical Race Theory and so-called “anti-racism” ideas to schools across the country.

Johnson repeatedly asked Garland if he had asked for ethical guidance as to the propriety of the memo; Garland repeatedly answered that the memorandum targeted “violence and threats of violence” but would not commit to any kind of an ethics inquiry.

Johnson pointed out, “We need objective third-parties to review our activities. You don’t get to make that decision yourself.”

The exchange went like this:

JOHNSON: Mr. Attorney General, millions of Americans are deeply concerned today that instead of addressing the most pressing issues facing our country, we’re watching the Biden-Garland Justice Department be weaponized, that you are using your authorities now to advance far-left policies and attack Republican-led state actions and erode constitutional norms. The most recent case in point has been brought up this morning; your memorandum directing the FBI and other Department of Justice officials to get involved in local school board debates. It concerns us that it was issued just five days after the National School Board Association sent a letter to President Biden, which referred to concerned parents as the equivalent of “domestic terrorists and perpetrators of hate crimes.”

Given the timing of all this, your memo appears to have been motivated by politics more than any pressing federal law enforcement need. This is concerning to us, and it’s worthy of investigation. It also concerns us that your actions may have been motivated by your family’s financial stake in this issue. Published reports show that your son-in-law co-founded a company called Panorama Education. We now know that that company  publishes and sells Critical Race Theory and so-called “anti-racism” materials to schools across the country, and it works with school districts nationwide to obtain and analyze data on students, often without parental consent. On its website, the company brags that it’s surveyed more than 13 million students in the U.S., it’s raised $76 million from powerful investors including people like Mark Zuckerberg, just since 2017. My first question is this: Are you familiar with Title V of the code of federal regulations, which addresses the rules of impartiality for executive branch employees and officials?

GARLAND: I am very familiar with it, and I want to be clear once again that there’s nothing in this memorandum which has any effect on the kinds of curriculums that are taught or the ability of the parents to complain about the kinds of —

JOHNSON: I understand your position on the free speech of parents.

GARLAND: It’s not a position; it is the words from the memorandum.

JOHNSON: The question is: The thing that has concerned many of those parent that are showing up at these school board meetings, the very basis of their objection, and their vigorous debate, as you mentioned earlier, is the curricula; the very curricula that your son-in-law is selling. So, to millions of Americans — my constituents, I was home all weekend; I got an earful about this; they’re very concerned about that.

Subpart E of that regulation says an employee of the executive branch is discouraged from engaging in conduct that’s likely to affect the financial interests of someone close to them. Your son-in-law, you daughter, clearly meets that definition. And so the question is, did you follow that regulation? Did you have the appropriate agency ethic official look into this? Did you seek guidance, as the federal regulation requires?

GARLAND: This memorandum is aimed at violence and threats of violence.

JOHNSON: I understand that, but did you seek ethics counsel before you issued a letter that directly relates to the financial interest of your family? Yes or no.

GARLAND: This memorandum does not relate to the financial interest of anyone.

JOHNSON: I take that as a no.

GARLAND: This memorandum is against violence and threats of violence.

JOHNSON: Mr. Attorney General, will you commit to having the appropriate ethics designee review the case and make the results public?

GARLAND: This memorandum is aimed at violence and threats of violence.

JOHNSON: I understand your talking point; you’re not answering my question, Mr. Attorney General. With all due respect, will you submit to an ethics review of this matter, yes or no?

GARLAND: There is no company in America, or hopefully, no law-abiding citizen in America who believes that threats of violence should not be prevented. There are no conflicts of interest that anyone could have.

JOHNSON: According to you, but sir, with due respect, that’s the purpose of the federal regulation. We need objective third-parties to review our activities. You don’t get to make that decision yourself. It doesn’t matter. You’re the chief law enforcement of this country; this raises questions in the minds of millions of Americans, and your impartiality is being called into question. Why would you not submit to a simple ethics review of that?

GARLAND: I am exquisitely aware of the ethics requirements.

JOHNSON: But you’re not following them.

GARLAND: I have followed them and lived with them for the last 25 years.

JOHNSON: Did you seek an ethics review of this or not?

GARLAND: I’m gonna say again: There are no conflicts of interest involved when the Justice Department asks —

JOHNSON: Okay, okay, according to you. I got that. I’m not being disrespectful, but you are not respecting our rules, our constitutional norms, and the federal law that directly applies to your activities. This is a great concern. This is why people are losing faith in our institutions; they’re losing faith in this Department of Justice, and you and I both know, as constitutional attorneys, that if the people lose their faith in our system of justice, if they lose their faith in the idea that justice is blind, that there are not two standards, that there’s not one standard of the law —

When Johnson was told that his time had expired, Garland continued, “All I can say is that I completely agree that the rule of law, and respect for it, is essential, and I will always do everything possible to uphold that and to avoid any kind of conflict of interest.”

Johnson fired, “But you will not submit to an ethics inquiry.”

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