President Donald Trump’s lead attorney, Rudy Giuliani, made the talk show rounds this weekend to give insight into the president’s strategy for handling tapes made by his former attorney, Michael Cohen. According to Giuliani, experts believe someone may have “messed with” a tape obtained by CNN, and that of 183 Cohen tapes obtained by investigators, Trump appears on only one.
Speaking to Fox News Saturday evening, Giuliani claimed experts and “retired FBI agents” who’ve listened to the tapes believe someone may have “played” with the contents, and that the recording, heard on CNN, is a “tape of a tape.”
“Now that we’ve seen the full scope of Cohen and Lanny Davis’ deception, we don’t trust anything,” Giuliani declared, adding that he and his legal team are working on obtaining the original recording to determine whether Cohen cut, edited, or mixed the tape.
“Since we don’t have the original, we asked for it,” Giuliani said. “Our expert analysis is done until we get the raw copy, which we are seeking.”
Giuliani also told Fox that he believes there are other tapes, but that those tapes don’t feature the president. He repeated the claim on “Face the Nation” Sunday morning, telling host John Dickerson that the Trump legal team knows of “something like 183 recordings,” one that features Cohen speaking to the president about paying a hefty sum to a Playboy model, and “11 or 12 others” that feature Cohen speaking with reporters about his interactions with Trump.
“We know of something like 183 unique conversations on tape. One of those is with the president of the United States. That’s the three-minute one involving the [Playboy model Karen] McDougal payment, AMI-McDougal payment,” Giuliani said. “There are 12 others, maybe 11 or 12 others out of the 183, in which the president is discussed at any length by Cohen, mostly with reporters.”
Giuliani also said that the CNN tape “clearly corroborates” Trump’s assertion that he knew nothing about payments made to either McDougal or adult film star Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 presidential election.