<p>Fr. <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-pro-life-fr-frank-pavone-removed-from-priesthood-by-vatican-responds-with-defiant-message" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Frank Pavone</a>, one of the most prominent U.S. Catholic priests organizing to defend life, says he&#8217;s still never been told which specific social media posts were deemed &#8220;blasphemous,&#8221; leading to his shocking defrocking by the <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/topic/catholic-church" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Vatican</a> in December.</p>
<p>A letter <a href="https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253106/vatican-dismisses-father-frank-pavone-from-priesthood" target="_blank" rel="noopener">obtained</a> last month by Catholic News Agency said Pavone was dismissed for his social media activity and “persistent disobedience of the lawful instructions of his diocesan bishop.” Pavone says he&#8217;s been in the crosshairs of some U.S. bishops for decades over his open pro-life and sometimes corresponding political views.</p>
<p>&#8220;It would be nice if they told me,&#8221; Pavone told <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/show/sunday-special" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ben Shapiro on “The Sunday Special,&#8221;</a> affirming that it has still not been articulated to him which posts of his are supposedly blasphemous.</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.dailywire.com/episode/ep-134-frank-pavone" target="_blank" rel="noopener">CLICK HERE FOR BEN SHAPIRO&#8217;S &#8220;SUNDAY SPECIAL&#8221; WITH FATHER FRANK PAVONE</a></strong></p>
<p>Shapiro asked Pavone about a <a href="https://www.npr.org/2022/12/18/1143935979/vatican-defrocks-an-anti-abortion-priest-who-once-placed-an-aborted-fetus-on-an-" target="_blank" rel="noopener">video</a> that&#8217;s been brought up, where the priest placed an aborted baby on an altar. Pavone said he&#8217;s been doing this exercise &#8220;for decades,&#8221; adding that it&#8217;s important for people to know what abortion actually looks like. He said that the altar was a table at his organization Priests for Life, and was not consecrated. &#8220;We have to elect people who are willing to protect these babies,&#8221; Pavone said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Their reasons have shifted over these 21 years,&#8221; Pavone went on, speaking about the push-back he’s received from some bishops. &#8220;It&#8217;s always been something else; it&#8217;s always been a shifting goalpost. &#8230; When one question is settled, they bring up a different concern.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In the latest, they actually said I had blasphemous communications on social media,&#8221; Pavone noted. &#8220;I&#8217;m honestly not aware of any blasphemy I&#8217;ve committed.&#8221;</p>
<p>“They keep saying to me, ‘Oh, you’re being disobedient, you’re being disobedient.’ They say to me, ‘You can’t try to save babies,’” he told Shapiro. “We run the largest pro-life ministry in the world for healing people <em>after</em> abortion. … We run these healing retreats — that’s part of our ministry.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If the question of obedience is, &#8216;Well, you can’t save these babies&#8217; lives&#8217; — ultimately, it comes down to the question of conscience,&#8221; Pavone said. &#8220;Obedience in any sphere of life never wipes away conscience, and this is something very very basic and simple.”</p>
<p>“If I see a child over there whose life is in danger and I wanna go over and save it — trespass laws fall by the wayside, all kinds of things fall by the wayside, because saving his life takes priority,&#8221; he illustrated.</p>
<p>“And that’s really been the nub of the problem, for some reason. Some of them don’t want me focusing on abortion,&#8221; the Catholic added.</p>
<p>Pavone noted that he&#8217;s followed assignments and been obedient to the Church in every other way, highlighting to Shapiro that he wasn&#8217;t wearing his priest collar. “I’m not going to rebel against that, I’m gonna work through the systems the Church provides to get reinstated,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>A statement attached to a letter from Archbishop Christophe Pierre to U.S. bishops, dated December 13, claimed Pavone &#8220;was given ample opportunity to defend himself in the canonical proceedings, and he was also given multiple opportunities to submit himself to the authority of his diocesan bishop.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It was determined that Father Pavone had no reasonable justification for his actions,&#8221; the letter said.</p>
<p>The statement notably referred to Pavone as a “lay person” and added that Priests for Life “is not a Catholic organization.”</p>
<p>Pavone learned about his apparent removal via Catholic News Agency reporting. “How did CNA learn about this before I did?” he responded to the organization via email.</p>
<p><strong>Related: <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-pro-life-fr-frank-pavone-removed-from-priesthood-by-vatican-responds-with-defiant-message" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Pro-Life Fr. Frank Pavone Removed From Priesthood By Vatican; Responds With Defiant Message</a></strong></p>

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