Daily Wire Editor Emeritus Ben Shapiro sat down with author and entrepreneur Patrick Bet-David to discuss a wide range of topics, including the infiltration of woke ideology into the business world, on the latest episode of “The Sunday Special.”
During the episode, Shapiro asked Bet-David, an Iranian-American and the founder and CEO of Valuetainment, about how much the ESG (environmental, social, and governance) movement had ingrained itself into large corporations. Bet-David told Shapiro that the adoption of woke policies by corporations was very widespread, but that he believed corporations would be forced to abandon such policies in the long-term as more people became aware of the situation.
“They’re not going to win long-term because people are starting to get exposed to it and they’re learning more about it. And even they’re saying, ‘Hey, let me back off a little bit,'” he said, later adding that “common sense” would win.
He pointed to recent news that McDonald’s would be removing ESG components from its website, and billionaire Elon Musk’s criticism of ESG, to show that momentum was starting to build against woke corporatism.
Shapiro and Bet-David also discussed why social media personality Andrew Tate had amassed such a large following, especially with young men. Bet-David said that there was valid criticism of Tate’s personal life, but that the message he was presenting was attractive to boys looking for a male role model.
“But a lot of the values and what he’s presenting, you can’t argue young men are looking for that, especially nowadays. There’s a lot of boys that are looking for an older brother or a father figure and his messaging keeps resonating with them,” he said.
Shapiro said that, while he believed that Tate diagnosed many of the problems with modern society, his answers were usually wrong. Shapiro said the way to build society was by getting married and having a family, not through a purely materialistic approach of focusing solely on money and attracting a lot of women.
Bet-David, who spoke with Tate on his YouTube, has interviewed a broad host of public figures on his podcast including Rod Blagojevich, Anthony Weiner, Shaquille O’Neal, Magic Johnson, and Kobe Bryant.
Bet-David also discussed his new book, “Choose Your Enemies Wisely: Business Planning for the Audacious Few,” which is coming out in December.
“Everybody has an enemy. You got an enemy. I got an enemy. He has an enemy. Trump has an enemy. Biden has an enemy. The average voter has an enemy. … Everybody’s got an enemy, right?” he said, adding that people needed to be strategic in choosing their enemies.