<p><a href="https://www.dailywire.com/topic/cnn">CNN</a> President Chris Licht dismissed the news that Fox News host <a href="https://dailywire.com/news/its-kind-of-a-sick-boast-greg-gutfeld-rips-biden-for-making-the-leap-to-full-on-fascist/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Greg Gutfeld</a> was winning the ratings war against traditional late-night comedy hosts like his own former boss, <a href="https://dailywire.com/news/fox-news-gutfeld-beats-colbert-in-late-night-show-viewers-key-age-demographics/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Stephen Colbert</a>.</p>
<p>During a Thursday appearance on journalist Kara Swisher&#8217;s podcast — <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/can-chris-licht-turn-cnn-around/id1643307527?i=1000586551899" target="_blank" rel="noopener">On With Kara Swisher</a> — Licht argued that Gutfeld&#8217;s late-night comedic offering &#8220;Gutfeld!&#8221; could not be compared to traditional late-night programming, saying that it was &#8220;entertaining,” but he &#8220;wouldn’t put it in the same category.&#8221;</p>
<p>Swisher introduced the topic by asking how a news-first network like CNN could compete with the typical late-night fare on other networks — and she noted that Gutfeld had been fairly effective in bridging that gap at Fox News.</p>
<p>Pointing out the fact that some — including her own sons — often got their &#8220;news&#8221; with a side of humorous commentary from hosts like John Oliver, Swisher asked whether networks that included that type of programming held an advantage over a network that was trying to stick to the news alone — as CNN <a href="https://dailywire.com/news/cnn-announces-new-programming-plan-and-elon-musk-is-already-on-board/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">appears to be doing</a> under Licht&#8217;s leadership.</p>
<p>&#8220;Colbert is very influential in news. Could you inform a broader audience there than you could at CNN? My sons don’t watch CNN. They watch John Oliver, and that’s where they get their news,&#8221; Swisher explained.</p>
<p>Licht pushed back: &#8220;But it’s not news.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But it is, it’s a point of view and it’s pretty smart,&#8221; Swisher replied — and Licht agreed, to a point.</p>
<p>&#8220;But I think we’re offering something different. And I think, there are certainly elements of that kind of delivery, right? Not necessarily comedy … it’s informed perspective programming that allows you to make your own decisions,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Licht objected further when Swisher suggested CNN might offer a late-night show like &#8220;Gutfeld!&#8221; — and suggested that he didn&#8217;t even put the Fox News ratings juggernaut in the same camp as the late-night shows on the legacy networks.</p>
<p>&#8220;I would call him — just an entertaining show. I would not call him a late-night show. As someone who worked on a late-night show and knows what goes into that, I wouldn’t put it in the same category,&#8221; Licht said.</p>
<p>&#8220;He beat Colbert, but go ahead,&#8221; Swisher <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2022/10/27/fox-news-channels-gutfeld-hits-25-million-viewers-highest-rated-night-in-shows-history/?sh=2a1024c262aa" target="_blank" rel="noopener">shot back</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Are we gonna get into this conversation? That’s not true,&#8221; Licht said, adding, &#8220;I’m still gonna defend my friend, Stephen.&#8221;</p>
<p>Swisher again argued that Licht, with his own experience working in late-night television, might want to consider bringing one to CNN. &#8220;You’re good at making these shows. Why not have one there? If you’re talking about a panoply of things to give to people,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p><strong>Licht&#8217;s interview is available here:</strong></p>
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<p lang="en" dir="ltr">Obvi the media eats this one up, but this is a really interesting chat with new ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/CNN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CNN</a>⁩ head Chris Licht for non insiders. A lot to unpack. <a href="https://t.co/yftXToufiZ">https://t.co/yftXToufiZ</a></p>
<p>&mdash; Kara Swisher (@karaswisher) <a href="https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1593342937831600128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2022</a></p></blockquote>

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