The CIA and U.S. military may have employed a secret, never-before-used technology to rescue the second American airman stranded behind Iranian enemy lines.
On April 3, Iran shot down an F-15E Strike Eagle during Operation Epic Fury, triggering a dramatic search-and-rescue mission to save the two crew members.
The pilot was found and rescued in “broad daylight,” but finding the weapons systems officer (WSO) proved far more difficult.
For nearly 48 hours, a &#8220;<a href="https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116351956955900185">seriously wounded</a>&#8221; American colonel evaded capture by scaling a ridge and hiding inside a mountain crevice as Iranian forces worked to close in on his position, <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/heres-everything-we-know-about-the-daring-mission-to-save-an-american-warfighter-in-iran">The Daily Wire previously reported</a>.
President Donald Trump later described the mission as an &#8220;Easter Miracle,&#8221; <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/exclusive-trump-reacts-to-easter-miracle-rescue-of-downed-u-s-airman-260734533647">according to NBC News</a>.
Speculation about how the United States ultimately located the airman has drawn attention online. The New York Post <a href="https://nypost.com/2026/04/07/us-news/ghost-murmur-a-never-used-secret-tool-deployed-to-find-lost-airman-in-iran-in-daring-mission/">reported</a> that the CIA used a classified system known as &#8220;Ghost Murmur&#8221; to detect the airman&#8217;s heartbeat from dozens of miles away. In a recent <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrRJimixWEc">podcast</a>, Joe Rogan and guest Duncan Trussell discussed the technology.
“This is science fiction. This is full minority report, science fiction-level technology. We can find a guy&#8217;s heart rate,&#8221; Rogan said. &#8220;What sick f*ck invented this?”
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Joe Rogan: “CIA found the pilot who got shot in Iran by using classified tech called Ghost Murmur and AI that detects human heartbeats up to 40 miles away. What sick f*ck invented this. What else don’t they tell us?”<a href="https://t.co/A3L9fge3CT">pic.twitter.com/A3L9fge3CT</a>
— Defiant L’s (@DefiantLs) <a href="https://twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/2042391861311258724?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2026</a></blockquote>
&#8220;They find this guy&#8217;s &#8230; heartbeat, he&#8217;s hiding in some kind of crevice, and then they&#8217;re able to go extract him,&#8221; Trussell told Rogan. &#8220;Heartbeat says a lot about a person — are they sleeping? Are they like in good shape, bad shape? Bet you can learn so much from a heartbeat.&#8221;
The classified technology &#8220;uses long-range quantum magnetometry to find the electromagnetic signal of a human heartbeat,&#8221; <a href="https://nypost.com/2026/04/07/us-news/ghost-murmur-a-never-used-secret-tool-deployed-to-find-lost-airman-in-iran-in-daring-mission/">according to the Post</a>, &#8220;and pairs the data with artificial intelligence software to isolate the signature from background noise.&#8221;
“It’s like hearing a voice in a stadium, except the stadium is a thousand square miles of desert,” a <a href="https://nypost.com/2026/04/07/us-news/ghost-murmur-a-never-used-secret-tool-deployed-to-find-lost-airman-in-iran-in-daring-mission/">s</a><a href="https://nypost.com/2026/04/07/us-news/ghost-murmur-a-never-used-secret-tool-deployed-to-find-lost-airman-in-iran-in-daring-mission/">ource told the Post.</a> “In the right conditions, if your heart is beating, we will find you.”
CIA Director Jon Ratcliffe did not confirm specifics, but referenced advanced capabilities during a White House press briefing, calling the tools used in the operation &#8220;exquisite&#8221; and unlike anything possessed by other intelligence services.
He described the rescue as a &#8220;race against the clock,&#8221; comparing it to &#8220;hunting a single grain of sand in the middle of a desert.&#8221;
Ratcliffe also said the CIA carried out a deception campaign to mislead Iranian forces searching for the downed airman, adding that U.S. intelligence indicates Iran was &#8220;embarrassed&#8221; and &#8220;humiliated&#8221; by the outcome of the mission.
Not everyone is convinced of the government&#8217;s account or the powers behind the alleged technology.
Scientific American, <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-the-quantum-ghost-murmur-purportedly-used-in-iran-scientists/">a popular science magazine</a>, spoke to researchers with expertise in magnetic fields, who describe the story &#8220;as almost certainly not true,&#8221; claiming the described ability of Ghost Murmur &#8220;finds no support in decades of peer-reviewed physics.&#8221;
Chad Orzel, a professor of physics at Union College, said to detect a heartbeat, a Ghost Murmur device would have to sort through more than the Earth&#8217;s natural magnetic field, but with “the heartbeats of the sheep and dogs and jackrabbits—whatever else is running around out there,” according to Scientific American.
&#8220;Quantum atomic transitions obey classical antenna physics,&#8221; <a href="https://x.com/AetherCzar/status/2042192828940394668?s=20">Hans G. Schantz</a>, scientist and engineer, posted on X. &#8220;Vastly superior performance, such as that attributed to Ghost Murmur, defies the known behavior of quantum systems.&#8221;
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Quantum atomic transitions obey classical antenna physics. Vastly superior performance, such as that attributed to Ghost Murmur, defies the known behavior of quantum systems. <a href="https://t.co/1U0Ephx05z">https://t.co/1U0Ephx05z</a> <a href="https://t.co/IAqdpGaHe3">https://t.co/IAqdpGaHe3</a>
— Hans G. Schantz (@AetherCzar) <a href="https://twitter.com/AetherCzar/status/2042192828940394668?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2026</a></blockquote>
“Somebody yanking a reporter’s chain,” Orzel told Scientific American. &#8220;It could be a &#8216;snarky, clever way to say, ‘Of course, I’m not going to tell you how we figured this out.&#8221;
The Daily Wire reached out to alleged Ghost Murmur developer Lockheed Martin, but we have received no reply as of publication.
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BREAKING🚨: The CIA just revealed its game-changing secret weapon: “Ghost Murmur” — an AI-powered tool that can detect a human heartbeat from MILES away.
It was used for the first time in the field to locate and rescue the downed U.S. airman stranded in Iran, according to the… <a href="https://t.co/OmkdFDfNSq">pic.twitter.com/OmkdFDfNSq</a>
— Officer Lew (@officer_Lew) <a href="https://twitter.com/officer_Lew/status/2041646461411094841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2026</a></blockquote>

Human Heart

Did CIA Use Covert Tech To Find Lost Airman?

Global Politics

Iran

Joe Rogan

Technology

World

On the surface, Pierre Poilievre’s recent appearance on the Joe Rogan <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtbGgSwuE_U">podcast</a> had more good than bad. The Conservative leader came across as likable, down-to-earth, and clear. He stressed the need to unleash Canada’s energy potential. He called for cutting regulations that have suppressed innovation. He pushed for lower government spending. These are all sound ideas and Canada would surely benefit from them.
But one key moment showed the real substance of Poilievre’s platform: empty individualism. This view defines human dignity as absolute self-expression. It not only cheapens human life, it weakens the institutions that support Canadian culture.
The moment happened when Rogan critiqued the current state of Canada’s euthanasia program.
Rogan expressed a reasonable concern. He noted that <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j1z14p57po">1 in 20</a> Canadian deaths now come from so-called assisted suicide or Medical Aid in Dying (MAID). Poilievre replied that he believes people should “have the choice” to be euthanized. His main concern was the idea that it would be offered to kids or to people whose only condition is mental illness.
In other words, his issue is not with Canada’s current euthanasia rules. His issue is only with suggestions that have not yet become law.
Canada’s euthanasia regime is abhorrent, with or without amendments. Track 2 euthanasia lets individuals apply for MAID based on an incurable physical condition. This includes a disability. The Atlantic recently <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/0">published</a> a piece on the ethical and practical questions facing “providers.” A more accurate word would be deprivers. These providers must interpret euthanasia rules on their own. One story described a doctor who euthanized a man in his 30s. The man had a treatable form of cancer, but he had refused all other treatment. This made his condition “irremediable.”
Human dignity should be the first commitment of any conservative. Poilievre often touts individual rights. Yet he ignores the most fundamental one: the right to life. To say someone has an intrinsic right means they possess it simply because of who they are. It does not depend on what they do.
But Poilievre’s willingness to allow euthanasia for those who are suffering and dying sends a clear message. It says the value of human life depends on personal judgment.
His criticism of euthanasia for the mentally ill is confusing. If people should have a “freedom” to die on their terms — in Canada that includes the terminally ill, disabled, and chronically sick — why must those symptoms be physical? In fact, we know they often are not.
Stories abound of individuals struggling with depression who have applied for MAID. One <a href="https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/kiano-vafaeian-medical-assistance-in-dying">example</a> is 26-year-old Kiano Vafaeian. He was struggling with vision loss and depression.
At the heart of Poilievre’s blunder on euthanasia is a false understanding of human dignity. Ironically, it is the same understanding that drives the woke excesses of the Liberal elite. They see dignity as absolute self-expression. This empty individualism separates life’s meaning from the broader context of nature, community, and tradition.
When applied to culture, this leads to a cheapening of human life. It is no surprise that places that legalize assisted suicide see an increase in overall suicide rates. Chosen or not, Poilievre fails to understand one key point. Euthanasia is a symptom of a sick, depressed, and lonely culture.
A culture that is killing itself is not going to be saved by lower housing costs. Economic prosperity can certainly help but it is not the sole solution.
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Poilievre’s wholesome vision for Canada is admirable. He wants a future where families enjoy the fruit of their labor without government interference. Ideally, they live in a white-picket-fenced home that they can afford. But this vision is unachievable without cultural renewal. The expressive individualism of the Liberal and Conservative elites will not deliver that renewal.
Canadian culture is not only suicidal it is also sterile. Nearly <a href="https://globalnews.ca/news/11638221/canada-ultra-low-fertility/">one in four</a> Canadian women in their 40s have no kids. Last year, Poilievre was absurdly <a href="https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pierre-poilievre-biological-clock-1.7499220">reprimanded</a> by Liberal MPs. They criticized him for recognizing that unaffordable housing causes couples to run out of time to start families before their “biological clocks” expire. The idea that government should be completely impartial to marriage and fertility rates is ludicrous.
These rates can give a glimpse into the hope people place in their future. Economic strain can suppress this hope and so can a nihilistic culture that has cheapened human life. The family is not merely an economic unit. It is a legacy-making enterprise. A culture that sees no value in life beyond individual expression makes the self-sacrificial reality of marriage seem absurd.
Unlike Poilievre, a true conservative recognizes that dignity is not rooted in our personal judgment. It is intrinsic to who we are. Our identity should be understood in reference to the people, institutions, and traditions that shape us. We should seek economic prosperity. But we should not seek it at the cost of the integrity of those institutions.
Poilievre has an impressive ability to explain those institutions. One of the best moments from the podcast was his explanation of the Westminster tradition, which is deeply connected to Canada’s British heritage.
What Poilievre takes for granted is this: hopelessness grows when people feel isolated. Yet the political elite — both Conservative and Liberal — expect the average Canadian to accept this isolation without complaint. Canada has some of the highest immigration rates per capita in the world. Conservatives claim to support assimilation into Canadian culture but they lack the ability to identify and preserve what is exemplary of that culture.
At Confederation, Canadian culture wasn’t divorced from a broader religious and moral consensus. It was founded against the backdrop of a predominantly Christian society. The 1871 census showed over <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-history-of-religions-in-america/religion-in-canada-18671945/3AA29A820C78AB35B6F22D2F4F763E65">98%</a> of the population as Christian. All 36 Fathers of Confederation were raised in a Christian tradition. This included Roman Catholicism, Anglicanism, and Presbyterianism. Yet Poilievre’s policies, especially on immigration, fail to take this into account. His view is that anyone can “become” Canadian. He defines it loosely as a belief in “freedom.” This view will not produce the assimilation needed for cultural unity. It will lead Canada further down the path of cultural decay.
Does this mean that people of non-Christian faiths should not come to Canada? Not at all. But it does mean that policymakers should protect the shared morality, customs, and traditions passed down from the time of Confederation. They should make judgments on immigration policy with prudence. They should keep the interests of Canadians in mind. Those interests should not be measured only in economic output. They should include cultural unity.
Poilievre’s discussion was typical of the decades-long drift of the Conservative establishment. It has moved toward a “balancing the budget” style of liberalism. This style redefines human dignity. It has cheapened human life. It has undermined the family. It has squandered Canada’s cultural inheritance. It has failed.
Moving forward, the Conservatives should let their party’s name guide their ideology. Canadians do not just want lower costs, they want flourishing families. They want a unified nation and a culture of hope. That is the true mission of conservatism. The Conservative establishment would do well to remember it.
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Liana Graham is a research assistant in domestic policy at the Heritage Foundation. She is originally from Oakville, Ontario, Canada.

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The Most Telling Moment Of Poilievre’s Joe Rogan Interview

Assisted Suicide

Canada

Conservatives

Euthanasia

Heritage Foundation

Pierre Poilievre

Wayne LaPierre

Vice President JD Vance clapped back at popular podcast host Joe Rogan on Friday after Rogan blasted President Donald Trump&#8217;s &#8220;Make America Great Again&#8221; slogan and movement.
During an episode of the &#8220;Joe Rogan Experience&#8221; that dropped earlier this week, Rogan said the &#8220;Make America Great Again&#8221; phrase &#8220;sucks,&#8221; adding that MAGA has become &#8220;a movement of a bunch of dorks.&#8221;
&#8220;First of all, America is great,&#8221; Rogan said during an interview with comedian Dave Smith. &#8220;Make America greater? I&#8217;m down. But &#8216;Make America Great Again&#8217; and then it becomes a movement of a bunch of f*cking dorks? Because a lot of them are dorks. A lot of them are these really weird, f*cking uninteresting, unintelligent people that have got something that they cling to.&#8221;
Rogan added that &#8220;there’s a lot of people that are just real genuine patriots and they’re all lumped into this one group and you got to accept the dorks, too? F*ck that!&#8221;
Vance, who has been friendly with Rogan and appeared on Rogan&#8217;s podcast in October 2024, responded to the comedian&#8217;s comments during an interview with conservative commentator Benny Johnson on Friday.
&#8220;I think we have many, many fewer dorks than the far-Left,&#8221; Vance said. &#8220;But everybody&#8217;s got some dorks. We love our dorks. We love our cool kids. We love anybody who wants to save our country.&#8221;
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Vice President JD Vance PUNCHES BACK at Joe Rogan for Calling MAGA ‘Dorks’
“Far fewer dorks than the far-left. But we love our dorks. We love our cool kids. We just want to save the country”
Vance Also HIT BACK at Joe Rogan for Claiming Obama And Hillary Were ‘Better At… <a href="https://t.co/s8ViWvjnrt">pic.twitter.com/s8ViWvjnrt</a>
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Both Rogan and Smith backed Trump and Vance in the 2024 election, but they have become increasingly critical of the president over his handling of foreign policy and the Epstein files. Smith, a regular guest on Rogan&#8217;s show, aligns with many of the anti-Israel views spouted by commentators and politicians on the far-Left. Both Rogan and Smith suggested that Trump has betrayed his base over the Iran war, but polling consistently shows that Trump&#8217;s supporters back his actions in Iran.
In another episode of his podcast this week, Rogan brought up MAGA and quipped that Democrats like former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton used to be &#8220;more MAGA than MAGA” on border security.
“Her take on the border was like hardcore,” Rogan said. “If you’ve been convicted of a crime, get out. If you stay here, pay a stiff penalty, and you have to get in line, and you have to learn English! And everyone cheers. Like, that is a hardcore right-wing 2026 perspective.”
He then said that Obama &#8220;deported more people than Trump did.&#8221;
Vance also responded to Rogan&#8217;s comments on Democrats&#8217; past support for border security and said Rogan was &#8220;wrong&#8221; for suggesting that Obama was better at deporting illegal immigrants than Trump.
&#8220;I&#8217;m going to text Joe because that is definitely wrong,&#8221; Vance told Johnson. &#8220;Here&#8217;s why this is wrong: when you look at the deportation numbers that go back to the Obama administration, they would count somebody who showed up at the border and they turned away as a deportation. Now, we have almost no one showing up at the border because the border is secure.&#8221;

Trump/Vance/Rogan

JD Vance Responds After Joe Rogan Hurls Insults At Trump’s Movement

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The DailyWire+ series “<a href="https://www.dailywire.com/show/the-pendragon-cycle?utm_campaign=pendragon&amp;utm_content=20260212_desktop_aa&amp;utm_medium=website">The Pendragon Cycle</a>” received high praise from “Pulp Fiction” screenwriter Roger Avary, who said he was “completely blown away.”
“These days, you almost don’t know… where to find television. And that’s because you can find it anywhere,” the 60-year-old Academy Award winner told Joe Rogan during a podcast appearance. He added that big studios are no longer dominating the industry and that smaller, independent studios are making superior content. 
“The mainstay producers of it, the studios … they’re no longer reliable in producing quality television. And so suddenly we see stuff rising out of places that are completely unexpected … this was produced by The Daily Wire of all places.”
“And this is good?” Rogan inquired about the series.
“This is better!” Avary replied, “I have a very high watermark for Arthurian mythology. Like to me, [the 1981 drama] ‘Excalibur’ is the high watermark. And this really went there …”
The producer and screenwriter admitted he had a “chip on his shoulder” when he started watching “Pendragon” and expected not to like it. But he was impressed not just with the quality, but with how it didn’t come from a major studio.
“They did it on a microbudget, effectively. They made something that… kind of reinvents the mythology and they do it like proper television, where you kind of love the characters, and they weave an entire reality and universe that is just fantastic. And it’s done for very, very little…” 
Avary added, “They’re spending billions making these ‘Lord of the Rings’ things, and nobody cares, they’re just awful to watch. In the meantime, these guys, without anyone paying attention, cranked this out. I’ve only seen four episodes of it, but I am completely blown away by it!”
“This is, to me, as good as classic television,” he added.
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Oscar-winning screenwriter <a href="https://twitter.com/AVARY?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AVARY</a> gives massive praise to &#8216;The Pendragon Cycle&#8217; on <a href="https://twitter.com/joerogan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@joerogan</a>:
&#8220;They&#8217;re spending billions making these &#8216;Lord of the Rings&#8217; things&#8230;and they&#8217;re just awful to watch&#8230;In the meantime, these guys&#8230;cranked this out&#8230;I am like completely blown away… <a href="https://t.co/guviJGswqe">pic.twitter.com/guviJGswqe</a>
— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/2021662679962730581?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2026</a></blockquote>
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“The Pendragon Cycle: Rise of the Merlin” is an epic fantasy series based on Stephen R. Lawhead’s award-winning novels.
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The saga unfolds in the aftermath of Roman-occupied Britain, where the seeds of Christianity are beginning to take root in the wake of overwhelming spiritual and physical darkness. Barbarian invaders threaten to lay claim to the Island of the Mighty, and only those with faith in the true God will prevail. 
Against this perilous backdrop, Merlin emerges not as the wizard we remember from typical Arthurian retellings that lean on medieval imagery and rote chivalry, but as a complex prophetic figure caught in a world of spiritual warfare, political chaos, and the dawn of Western civilization.
The series was filmed across Hungary, Italy, and the Danube River valley. Multiple production diaries provided fans a glimpse of the endless challenges and the grand scope of the production, including the costumes, the stunning locations, and the epic battle scenes that take place during the series.
Watch the 7-part series “The Pendragon Cycle: Rise of the Merlin” now — <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/show/the-pendragon-cycle?utm_campaign=pendragon&amp;utm_content=20260212_desktop_aa&amp;utm_medium=website">only on DailyWire+</a>. New episodes every Thursday.

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‘Pulp Fiction’ Writer Says ‘The Pendragon Cycle’ Left Him ‘Completely Blown Away’

'Pulp Fiction' Writer Says 'The Pendragon Cycle' Left Him 'Completely Blown Away'

Entertainment

Television

The Pendragon Cycle

Actor Billy Bob Thornton is one of many who believes celebrities should stick to talking about entertainment and stay out of politics.
The 70-year-old star said as much during a recent appearance on “The Joe Rogan Experience” podcast, referencing Ricky Gervais’ infamous monologue at the 2020 Golden Globes.
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“It’s like Ricky Gervais said &#8230; ‘Look, come up here, accept your little award, and f*** off.’ First of all, unless you’ve really studied stuff and know about a subject fully, who the hell would want to listen to a musician or an actor talk about politics?” Thornton said. &#8220;It’s like, ‘Are we supposed to follow this?&#8217; If we are, what if they lead you down the wrong road?&#8217;”
The “Sling Blade” actor went on to describe himself as a “radical moderate.”
“I’m very strong in my opinions, but my opinions don’t belong to any political party. I just look at what makes sense, and I think we need a common sense party in this country. That’s actually what I think we need. Just figure it out. It&#8217;s pretty easy to figure out what this is all about.&#8221;
Thornton also said he doesn’t really “care about awards anymore,” because he’s “got plenty of them” and had won those “under the wire, when awards were kind of real still.”
“I’ve won a couple recently,” the actor added. “But these days I just look at it as like, ‘Oh, OK, we’re gonna go over here and, you know, have some dry chicken breast and green beans, you know, and we’ll listen to people get up there and pontificate about how awesome they are.&#8217;”
Thornton said awards show stages should not become soapboxes for bringing awareness to different causes, either.
“There is a time and place for that,” he said, adding that at awards shows, “you should just stick to what it is.”
“Don’t go up there and talk about saving the badgers in Wisconsin or something, you know what I’m saying?” he told Rogan. “And people would argue and say, ‘Well, no, because I have a voice and because everybody knows me. This is a great platform for me to put this out there.’”
“Well, how about this? If you have a billion dollars, and you want to save the badgers, f***ing save them,” he added. “I mean, you got plenty of money to save the badgers, trust me. That is not, that’s barely gonna cut into your budget.”

Billy Bob Thornton

Billy Bob Thornton Talks Hollywood, Politics With Joe Rogan

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Politics

U.S.

Actor Charlie Sheen was recording a conversation for podcast host Joe Rogan&#8217;s next episode when they learned about the assassination of conservative commentator and Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk on Wednesday afternoon.
Rogan and Sheen were both clearly taken aback, shaken by the news — and both immediately assumed that the shooting had been politically motivated as they reacted in real time to the news.
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🚨NEW: Joe Rogan &amp; Charlie Sheen react to Charlie Kirk Assassination🚨
ROGAN: &#8220;We just found out that Charlie Kirk got sh*t.&#8221;
SHEEN: &#8220;It&#8217;s f*cking awful.&#8221;
ROGAN: &#8220;Whoa!&#8221;
SHEEN: &#8220;M*rdered for having a different opinion from somebody else.&#8221;
&#8220;Rest in peace. F*ck!&#8221;
&#8220;He doesn&#8217;t… <a href="https://t.co/zdDx7SHqtr">pic.twitter.com/zdDx7SHqtr</a>
— Jason Cohen 🇺🇸 (@JasonJournoDC) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonJournoDC/status/1966191482206863583?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2025</a></blockquote>
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&#8220;Should we bring this up? I guess we have to,&#8221; Rogan began, clearly just having received the news himself. Bringing his hands to his forehead and taking a deep breath, he said, &#8220;So this just happened, we just found out that Charlie Kirk got shot.&#8221;
Rogan paused then, apparently unsure how to react.
&#8220;That&#8217;s f***ing awful,&#8221; Sheen said.
&#8220;And — is he dead?&#8221; Rogan asked. Off camera, one of his producers said he didn&#8217;t think so.
&#8220;That&#8217;s what was just —?&#8221; Sheen asked. &#8220;— that in the lobby was &#8230;&#8221;
&#8220;One of the guys out there just confirmed that he&#8217;s dead,&#8221; Rogan said, his voice flat.
Rogan let out a heavy sigh as his producer went to confirm the details: &#8220;Whoa.&#8221;
&#8220;Murdered for having a different opinion from somebody else,&#8221; Sheen posited. &#8220;A different ideology from somebody else.&#8221;
&#8220;Yeah, I mean, I don&#8217;t know,&#8221; Rogan said.
&#8220;&#8230; beliefs that didn&#8217;t align,&#8221; Sheen continued.
The producer interrupted to confirm that Kirk had died.
&#8220;Rest in peace,&#8221; Sheen said immediately. &#8220;F***. Twenty-seven years old? Thirty, maybe?&#8221;
&#8220;Do they even have a suspect?&#8221; Rogan asked, but the producer had no more answers.
&#8220;F***,&#8221; Sheen said again. &#8220;Nobody deserves that, he didn&#8217;t deserve that, nobody deserves that.&#8221;

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Woke is on the run.
The cultural scourge has stifled free thought, promoted hard Left extremism and corrupted the arts. Now, the pendulum is finally starting to swing in the opposite direction.
As Justine Bateman eloquently <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/justine-bateman-feels-she-breathe-135914542.html?guccounter=1&amp;guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&amp;guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL59qaEAl5oQrn9Sbhjt_qu8fKo-iKLly0Qx1-59i0ZovkUgRNIkxBmkeb-90BXJs3RGFTKYXYPTw_0PpiYQZ4TC2vvcuf68E0zkXRjgeC_GgEgtbOqvca4Zg9u6iEw0q-H7gvODkFclXkVCbMI5yfWMT2bU8ni8NIdlhYRwH5Zd">put it</a>, it’s like we can all breathe again.
Woke may have been destined to crash and burn on its own. It’s antithetical to the American spirit and goes against basic biology. Plus, it’s often meted out in a cruel, hypocritical two-tier fashion.
Hunter Biden <a href="https://nypost.com/2021/06/08/hunter-biden-repeatedly-called-his-white-lawyer-the-n-word-texts-show/">repeatedly texts</a>  the &#8220;n-word&#8221; — zero punishment. Morgan Wallen calls a white friend the “n-word” in a private moment caught on tape – his career implodes overnight. 
Yet, over the past decade we&#8217;ve witnessed a number of brave souls stand up to the woke onslaught. While there are many on team sanity who deserve a shout out — including the voices at The Daily Wire — here are seven culture warriors who hastened woke’s demise and deserve a curtain call.
<h3>Robby Starbuck</h3>
<div id="attachment_901451" style="width: 1034px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-901451" class="size-large wp-image-901451" src="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/Untitled-design-32-1024x576.jpg" alt="Conservative influencer Robby Starbuck prior to an interview in New York, US, on Wednesday, March 5, 2025." width="1024" height="576" />Bess Adler/Bloomberg via Getty Images</div>
The filmmaker/activist became the <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/exclusive-robby-starbuck-joins-heritage-foundation-to-continue-fight-against-woke-corporations?author=Spencer+Lindquist&amp;category=News&amp;elementPosition=undefined&amp;row=0&amp;rowType=Vertical+List&amp;title=EXCLUSIVE%3A+Robby+Starbuck+Joins+Heritage+Foundation+To+Continue+Fight+Against+Woke+Corporations">one person</a> woke companies fear more than anyone else. Starbuck’s crusade to expose corporate shenanigans, like excessive DEI policies, proved shockingly effective in recent years.
Just ask <a href="https://www.axios.com/2024/11/27/robby-starbuck-influencer-dei-walmart">Walmart, Target, John Deere, Harley Davidson</a> and more.
A single social media post from Starbuck could send company executives into damage control mode. Sunlight remains the best disinfectant.
Starbuck brings the receipts, too. His recent <a href="https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1958868634287161604">exposé on Cracker Barrel</a>, coming on the heels of the brand’s calamitous logo “update,” proved he isn’t done spotlighting woke on steroids.
<h3>Jennifer Sey</h3>
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The former gymnast defied her woke overlords at Levi’s and lost, if only on the surface. Sey left her job as Global Brand President after speaking out against pandemic school closures. The woke company demanded she toe the line and not share her opinion publicly. She refused.
She could have licked her wounds or stayed silent. Not Sey. The Colorado resident rolled up her sleeves and kept fighting. She assembled a team to create a documentary detailing just how punishing lockdowns proved for millions of kids, even as we weren’t always allowed to admit it aloud. That upcoming documentary, “Generation-Covid,” is just part of her anti-woke agenda.
She also created XX-XY Athletics, a clothing brand designed for women, not biological men living as women. Her company speaks out against trans women in women’s sports, helping strike a blow against a movement that often shames citizens into silence.
Now, the tide is turning on the subject, with more Americans allowed to speak their minds. Sey helped make that happen.
<h3>Elon Musk</h3>
<div id="attachment_902957" style="width: 874px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-902957" class="size-large wp-image-902957" src="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/GettyImages-2180240111-864x576.jpg" alt="A portrait picture of Elon Musk photographed in Krakow, Poland on January 22nd, 2024 and X, former Twitter, logo are screened for illustration photo in Krakow, Poland on October 25, 2024." width="864" height="576" srcset="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/GettyImages-2180240111-864x576.jpg 864w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/GettyImages-2180240111-300x200.jpg 300w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/GettyImages-2180240111-768x512.jpg 768w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/GettyImages-2180240111.jpg 1024w" sizes=" (max-width: 864px) 100vw, 864px" />Beata Zawrzel/NurPhoto via Getty Images</div>
He may be “frenemies” with a certain world leader these days, but Musk struck a mighty blow against woke by buying Twitter. <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-bought-twitter-over-free-speech-concerns-media-groupthink-2022-12">Partly inspired</a> by the platform’s attack on The Babylon Bee and other free speech punishments, Musk took over and restored many censored accounts. His new, streamlined X let free speech reign anew. Suddenly, users didn’t have to self-censor for fear their unwoke opinions could cost them their digital voice.
The platform is far from perfect, but under Musk’s control, it’s a vastly superior product and a woke-free zone.
<h3>Christopher Rufo</h3>
<div id="attachment_877257" style="width: 1034px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-877257" class="size-large wp-image-877257" src="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/02/Untitled-design-33-1024x576.jpg" alt="Christopher Rufo, a conservative activist and New College of Florida trustee, walks through protestors on his way out of a bill signing event featuring Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who signed three education bills on the campus of New College of Florida in Sarasota, Fla. on Monday, May 15, 2023." width="1024" height="576" />Photo by Thomas Simonetti for The Washington Post via Getty Images</div>
Starbuck may be corporate America’s worst nightmare, but Rufo offers a similar service for academics gone wild. Rufo’s relentless pressure campaigns, and fact-based measures, proved highly effective in recent years.
Rufo helped expose former Harvard President Claudine Gay’s <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/claudine-gay-who-resigned-due-to-plagiarism-allegations-to-teach-reading-and-research-class-at-harvard-in-fall">plagiarism scandal</a>, but that’s just a fraction of his recent activism. Here, he describes why he <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/conservative-activist-christopher-rufo-on-his-push-to-scrutinize-higher-education">focuses his attention</a> on Ivy League institutions.
“They&#8217;re promoting from their central administrations racial discrimination, scapegoating and even segregation.”
In some cases, they “were” promoting all of the above. Rufo gets results.
<h3>J.K. Rowling</h3>
<div id="attachment_913089" style="width: 828px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-913089" class="size-large wp-image-913089" src="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/JK-Rowling-818x576.jpg" alt="JK Rowling" width="818" height="576" srcset="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/JK-Rowling-818x576.jpg 818w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/JK-Rowling-300x211.jpg 300w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/JK-Rowling-768x541.jpg 768w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/JK-Rowling.jpg 1200w" sizes=" (max-width: 818px) 100vw, 818px" />Samir Hussein/WireImage via Getty Images</div>
Many celebrities, even the biggest stars in the galaxy, stand down under intense woke pressure. Remember how <a href="https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/07/rub-and-tug-tv-show-our-lady-j?srsltid=AfmBOooqto0TGS1QBSZKn_jSJCQPHkCoAhh3bv_wnxbTxhD4YsIThjEW">Scarlett Johansson buckled</a> rather than accept a role playing a trans character?
Not Rowling. The “Harry Potter” author, an old-school progressive, began <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/j-k-rowling-hilariously-shreds-transgender-activist-over-bra-fitting-boast">questioning</a> elements of the trans agenda in 2020. That put her squarely in the Left’s cross-hairs, and she’s remained there ever since.
Death threats. Endless cultural cancelations. Serial attacks from the same Legacy Media outlets that once praised her ability to inspire young readers.
And Rowling refused to back down. That posture, combined with the work Sey has done on trans matters, allowed others to speak out against biological men in women’s sports.
<h3>Joe Rogan</h3>
<div id="attachment_909823" style="width: 1034px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-909823" class="size-large wp-image-909823" src="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-07-PM-2073-1024x576.jpg" alt="Screenshot: Joe Rogan Experience #2303. Dave Smith and Douglas Murray. PowerfulJRE. YouTube.com" width="1024" height="576" srcset="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-07-PM-2073-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-07-PM-2073-300x169.jpg 300w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-07-PM-2073-768x432.jpg 768w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-07-PM-2073-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-07-PM-2073-2048x1152.jpg 2048w" sizes=" (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" />Screenshot: Joe Rogan Experience/YouTube.com</div>
Rogan&#8217;s relentless curiosity, eagerness to let so many voices share his platform, and his dedication to an open, long-form conversation has given free speech a major boost. 
Even more important, Rogan had a change of heart regarding one potential guest. Two years ago, Rogan seemed disinterested in chatting up former President Donald Trump.
Then, as he watched the Democratic Party stifle speech across the culture, he realized his platform could give Trump a boost in the 2024 presidential campaign. It’s likely why other rebel comics did the same with the Trump-Vance ticket, from Andrew Schulz to Tim Dillon.
<h3>President Donald Trump</h3>
<div id="attachment_942191" style="width: 875px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-942191" class="size-large wp-image-942191" src="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/07/GettyImages-2222437639-865x576.jpg" alt="President Donald Trump speaks to the media before boarding Marine One outside the White House on July 1, 2025 in Washington, D.C. (Photo by Ricky Carioti/The Washington Post via Getty Images)" width="865" height="576" srcset="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/07/GettyImages-2222437639-865x576.jpg 865w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/07/GettyImages-2222437639-300x200.jpg 300w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/07/GettyImages-2222437639-768x512.jpg 768w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/07/GettyImages-2222437639.jpg 1024w" sizes=" (max-width: 865px) 100vw, 865px" />Ricky Carioti/The Washington Post via Getty Images</div>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIF2rdXnpMo">“Everything woke turns to s***,”</a> The 45th and 47th president once said, slicing through the noise to make perfect sense. He’s right, of course, and he helped make woke retreat to its current, cornered state.
The president’s frank talk, blustery persona and eagerness to speak sans filter did more than burnish his brand. He gave us permission to do the same, to shoot straight and take the consequences.
Plus, he used his executive orders to protect female athletes against biological male competitors and doubled down on Rufo’s efforts to rein in woke colleges. His anti-DEI initiatives will be part of his legacy, no doubt.
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Woke is far from gone, despite the work of these culture warriors. Some companies and schools are using sleight-of-hand techniques to keep on discriminating on the basis of race and gender.
The disgraced Gay is still teaching students at Harvard.
Hollywood will keep making movies about five-foot-nothing women beating up men double their size. Gender and race-swapped stories won’t fade to black like 3D movies and found footage shockers.
Still, woke has taken body blow after body blow. And these powerful figures threw some of the heaviest punches.
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Christian Toto is an award-winning journalist, movie critic and editor of <a href="https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">HollywoodInToto.com</a>. He previously served as associate editor with Breitbart News’ Big Hollywood. Follow him at <a href="https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">HollywoodInToto.com</a>.
The views expressed in this piece are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The Daily Wire.

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Bernie Sanders wants to solve AI with socialism — but he doesn&#8217;t know how humans will find meaning in his socialist paradise.
The 83-year-old senior senator from Vermont recently took time off of his &#8220;Fighting Oligarchy&#8221; tour to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYVzme2fybU">appear</a> on &#8220;The Joe Rogan Experience.&#8221;
During the almost two-hour episode, Rogan asked Sanders how humans will find meaning if artificial intelligence takes jobs and the government provides for everyone&#8217;s needs.
&#8220;Andrew Yang was talking about this giant epidemic of automation in this country and the solution being universal basic income, but that&#8217;s not the solution for meaning,&#8221; Rogan said. &#8220;And how do we convince all of these people that they have to not just take this money from the government, but also take action to give themselves meaning in their lives?&#8221;
Sanders tried to reframe the question as &#8220;a revolution in human experience.&#8221;
&#8220;So throughout history, people have worked so hard just to stay alive, right?&#8221; Sanders said. &#8220;If you don&#8217;t need to do work, right, because we&#8217;re wealthy enough, how do you find meaning in your life?&#8221;
Sanders called it a &#8220;trillion-dollar question&#8221; and said dependence on AI is not the answer.
&#8220;All I would say at this moment is the answer is not to fall in love with your AI creature out there,&#8221; Sanders said.
Rogan wasn&#8217;t satisfied.
&#8220;Yeah, don’t do that,&#8221; Rogan said. &#8220;But also, how do you find meaning? How do you — if all you&#8217;re doing is just getting a check, and you can just stay at home and stare at the TV, and the money keeps coming, and then you eat processed food all day, and it&#8217;s all subsidized, what is life?&#8221;
Sanders said the immediate solution is to take care of workers who lost jobs to AI.
&#8220;I think you tell those workers, you&#8217;re going to have health care as a human right, you&#8217;re going to have education as a human right, you&#8217;re going to have a decent income as a human right, and we&#8217;re going to lower — substantially lower — the work week,&#8221; Sanders said. &#8220;What happens later, when even more work is eliminated, and what the purpose of human life becomes, that is a very profound question.&#8221;
&#8220;What do you think happens?&#8221; Rogan asked.
&#8220;It&#8217;s hard to imagine,&#8221; Sanders said. &#8220;Then the answer will be that we are going to have to find different meaning in life. We have to find it in ourselves in ways that you don’t know and I don’t know, because we&#8217;re not there yet.&#8221;
Sanders said he doesn&#8217;t know how far out the problem is.
&#8220;But I think human beings are capable of replacing work with other emotionally satisfying things,&#8221; Sanders said. &#8220;Yeah, I think we can do it.&#8221;
Rogan said the problem would be providing meaning for millions of people.
&#8220;What do you do to all those people to give them some sort of a sense of meaning?&#8221; Rogan asked. &#8220;You&#8217;re essentially redefining life for them.&#8221;
&#8220;I don&#8217;t have the answer to that question,&#8221; Sanders admitted again. &#8220;That’s the problem. I don&#8217;t think anybody does.&#8221;
Despite not having an answer, the senator still managed to bring the issue back to taxing the rich.
&#8220;The people who own that technology and the corporations who utilize that [AI] technology are becoming phenomenally richer,&#8221; Sanders said. &#8220;And that is the issue. Which gets back to things like tax reform, like making sure that in America, we do not have the massive levels of income and wealth inequality that we currently have.&#8221;

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FBI Director Kash Patel left popular podcast host Joe Rogan in shock when he revealed that he&#8217;d been swatted just one day prior to his appearance on Rogan&#8217;s show.
Patel let the information slip while he and Rogan recorded &#8220;The Joe Rogan Experience&#8221; episode that dropped on Friday, and the host visibly recoiled at the thought. &#8220;The head of the FBI gets swatted?&#8221; Rogan asked in apparent disbelief, his eyebrows raised.
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Kash Patel was SWATTED.
Swatting is attempted murder.
These people need to be arrested. <a href="https://t.co/T7zwDFFWav">pic.twitter.com/T7zwDFFWav</a>
&mdash; Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) <a href="https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1931064246298657066?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2025</a></blockquote>
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&#8220;As Director of the FBI, I have a responsibility — I&#8217;m not just going to bring a case because somebody hurt me,&#8221; Patel began, adding, &#8220;They did. And they continue to do it. S***, my house just got swatted yesterday.&#8221;
&#8220;What?!&#8221; Rogan exclaimed.
&#8220;Yeah,&#8221; Patel replied.
&#8220;You got swatted?&#8221; Rogan asked, clearly struggling to wrap his brain around the information.
&#8220;Oh, yeah,&#8221; Patel confirmed.
&#8220;The head of the FBI gets swatted?&#8221; Rogan asked again.
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&#8220;Yeah,&#8221; Patel repeated. &#8220;Yeah. These people play — it&#8217;s the ultimate height of hypocrisy. They have two sets of rules. One against you, and one for them.&#8221;
During the same interview, both Rogan and Patel appeared to be caught off guard by news of the very public spat between President Donald Trump and billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk — largely over Trump&#8217;s support for the One, Big Beautiful Bill currently before the U.S. Senate.
Patel quickly made it clear that he did not want any part of that conversation, and Rogan suggested that someone might need to take Musk&#8217;s phone away — at least on a temporary basis.
&#8220;What is he doing? Someone should take his phone away,&#8221; Rogan said.
&#8220;I’m just staying out of the Trump-Elon thing. That’s way outside my lane,&#8221; Patel replied.
&#8220;What the f*** are they doing?&#8221; Rogan asked.
Patel was insistent: &#8220;I know my lane and that ain’t it.&#8221;
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🚨 JOE ROGAN: “Jesus Christ. What is he doing? Someone should take his phone away.”
KASH PATEL: “I’m just trying outside of the Trump/Elon thing. That’s way outside my lane.”
JOE: “What the f**k are they doing?”
KASH: “I know my lane and that ain’t it.” 💀 <a href="https://t.co/umgAWFtIP5">pic.twitter.com/umgAWFtIP5</a>
&mdash; Autism Capital 🧩 (@AutismCapital) <a href="https://twitter.com/AutismCapital/status/1931067123922604254?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2025</a></blockquote>
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As President Donald Trump and Elon Musk feuded on Thursday, FBI Director Kash Patel was recording an episode with podcast giant Joe Rogan, and the two reacted to Musk&#8217;s <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/elon-musk-goes-after-trump-over-epstein-files-time-to-drop-the-really-big-bomb">Epstein Files accusation</a> against Trump while the cameras were rolling.
As the fight between Trump and Musk escalated, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO <a href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930703865801810022">wrote</a> on X, “Time to drop the really big bomb: @realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT!” He added in a follow-up: “Mark this post for the future. The truth will come out.”
Rogan read Musk&#8217;s post as he was recording an episode with Patel that dropped on Friday.
&#8220;I&#8217;m not participating in any of that conversation,&#8221; Patel said after Rogan read the post.
&#8220;Someone should take his phone away,&#8221; Rogan said of Musk.
&#8220;Jesus Christ, that&#8217;s a crazy thing to say,&#8221; Rogan added. &#8220;How does he know? Does he know that Donald Trump is in the Epstein Files? Does he have access to the Epstein Files?&#8221;
&#8220;I don&#8217;t know how he would,&#8221; Patel replied. &#8220;But I&#8217;m just staying out of the Trump-Elon thing. That&#8217;s way outside my lane.&#8221;
&#8220;What the f*** are they doing?&#8221; Rogan asked. &#8220;I understand he owns Twitter [X]. I think it&#8217;s bad for your mental health. I think posting things public all day and arguing with people all day is bad for you.&#8221;
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The exact moment Joe Rogan and Kash Patel learn that Elon Musk posted on 𝕏 accusing President Trump of being in the Epstein files. 
Wild timing to be on Rogan! <a href="https://t.co/Iv6m0ibTTI">pic.twitter.com/Iv6m0ibTTI</a>
&mdash; Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) <a href="https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1931067965862232504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 6, 2025</a></blockquote>
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Musk&#8217;s Epstein Files post was the culmination of a battle between Trump and Musk that began when the president said he was &#8220;very disappointed&#8221; with Musk, rebuking his former senior adviser for criticizing the &#8220;Big, Beautiful Bill.&#8221; Trump has not responded specifically to the Epstein allegation, but he did threaten to end government subsidies and contracts for Musk&#8217;s companies. Musk, meanwhile, <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/musk-fires-back-at-trump-with-threat-to-pull-nasas-only-ride-to-space">threatened</a> to decommission the SpaceX Dragon capsule, which would prevent astronauts from traveling to the International Space Station. Musk later <a href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930796810928599163">backed down</a> from his threat.
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Musk later <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/musk-signals-hes-open-to-speaking-with-trump-but-president-not-particularly-interested?author=Zach+Jewell&amp;category=News&amp;elementPosition=3&amp;row=0&amp;rowType=Vertical+List&amp;title=Musk+Signals+He%E2%80%99s+Open+To+Speaking+With+Trump%2C+But+President+%E2%80%98Not+Particularly%E2%80%99+Interested">signaled</a> that he wanted to talk to Trump to smooth things over, but the president said he was &#8220;not particularly&#8221; interested in a discussion.
“I won’t be speaking to [Musk] for a while I guess, but I wish him well,” Trump told <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/06/politics/donald-trump-elon-musk-rift">CNN</a> Friday morning.
“I’m not even thinking about Elon,” he added. “He’s got a problem. The poor guy’s got a problem.”

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Aaron Rodgers, the former Green Bay Packers and New York Jets star quarterback, spoke out against men competing against women on Wednesday, blasting the transgender movement as &#8220;anti-woman.&#8221;
Rodgers, known for speaking his mind on controversial topics, addressed the issue of men in women&#8217;s sports with podcast host Joe Rogan. During the episode of the &#8220;Joe Rogan Experience&#8221; posted on Wednesday, Rogan ripped into leagues that allow men who identify as women to take achievements away from women.
&#8220;What is it, like 700 women were robbed of gold medals across various sports — might have been more than that — because these biological men pretended to be women and identified as women and dominated in women&#8217;s sports,&#8221; Rogan said. &#8220;They have a giant advantage. Stop pretending they don&#8217;t.&#8221;
&#8220;Yeah, the trans women movement is actually anti-woman,&#8221; Rodgers said, clarifying that he made the comment in reference to sports.
&#8220;You&#8217;re not seeing trans men dominating anything,&#8221; Rodgers added, speaking of women who identify as men and compete against males. &#8220;It&#8217;s because there&#8217;s a biological difference.&#8221;
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The 41-year-old quarterback has been criticized for questioning vaccines and was forced to miss an NFL game during the 2021 season due to league protocols regarding players who had not received the COVID shot. Rodgers was released by the Jets in March after two seasons with the team — one of which he missed due to an Achilles injury. He is still a free agent.
According to a U.N. report last year from the Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls, female athletes lost out on nearly <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/trans-identifying-males-are-cleaning-up-in-female-sports-this-un-report-quantifies-the-damage" target="_blank" rel="noopener">900 medals</a> after they had to compete against boys and men.
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“The replacement of the female sports category with a mixed-sex category has resulted in an increasing number of female athletes losing opportunities, including medals, when competing against males,” the report stated. It added that men being included in the female category makes women and girls more vulnerable to serious injuries &#8220;as documented in disciplines such as in volleyball, basketball, and soccer.&#8221;
In recent years, more female athletes have begun to speak out against being forced to compete against men. <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/i-was-injured-by-a-trans-athlete-state-legislatures-need-to-do-more-to-protect-womens-sports" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Payton McNabb</a>, a former high school volleyball player, has become one of the most outspoken advocates for protecting women&#8217;s sports after she was severely injured three years ago when a trans-identifying male opponent spiked a volleyball at her face. In March, McNabb attended President Donald Trump&#8217;s joint session to Congress as one of his guests.
Trump has pushed to protect women&#8217;s sports, <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/surrounded-by-young-female-athletes-donald-trump-bans-men-from-womens-sports" target="_blank" rel="noopener">signing</a> an executive order in February banning men from competing against women. Under the order, schools and universities risk losing federal funding if they continue to force women to compete against men.
“It shall also be the policy of the United States to oppose male competitive participation in women’s sports more broadly, as a matter of safety, fairness, dignity, and truth,&#8221; Trump said.

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Everyone is still talking about the extended debate between Libertarian comic Dave Smith and author Douglas Murray on “The Joe Rogan Experience.”
The Spotify superstar set the chat in motion, knowing the two had extremely different views that would make for a compelling exchange. It’s a sad sign of the times when a debate between two well-meaning adults is increasingly rare in pop culture.
The chat did more than let both pundits share their views. It reminded Rogan of an old saw that Uncle Ben taught a budding web-slinger long ago.
With great power comes great responsibility.
<div id="attachment_909815" style="width: 1034px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6kirkSwTg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-909815" class="size-large wp-image-909815" src="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-23-PM-2662-1024x576.jpg" alt="Screenshot: Joe Rogan Experience #2303. Dave Smith and Douglas Murray. PowerfulJRE. YouTube.com" width="1024" height="576" srcset="https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-23-PM-2662-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-23-PM-2662-300x169.jpg 300w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-23-PM-2662-768x432.jpg 768w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-23-PM-2662-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2025/04/MixCollage-18-Apr-2025-04-23-PM-2662-2048x1152.jpg 2048w" sizes=" (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a>Screenshot: Joe Rogan Experience #2303. Dave Smith and Douglas Murray. PowerfulJRE. YouTube.com</div>
The underlying message in the chat? Rogan’s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6kirkSwTg" target="_blank" rel="noopener">hugely popular show</a> has been letting some cranks share his podcast microphone. That might not have mattered a few years ago, but now “The Joe Rogan Experience” has the power to shape the political landscape.
Many pundits suggest Donald Trump’s appearance on the show, along with Kamala Harris’ unwillingness to do the same, played a role in the real estate mogul’s victory.
Letting “historians” in Rogan’s studio who resist that label, spread erroneous facts, and refuse to take on their critics, may not be the best way to flex his podcast muscle.
<a href="https://www.dailywire.com/topic/joe-rogan" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Rogan</a> has played podcast footsie with conspiracy monger Alex Jones for some time. Now, he’s expanding that practice to the format’s detriment. Think Ian Carroll and Darryl Cooper as two recent examples.
The latter called Winston Churchill, <a href="https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/cooper-koureas/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">“The chief villain of World War II.”</a>
“I feel you’ve opened the door to quite a lot of people who now got a big platform, who have been throwing out counter-historical stuff of a very dangerous kind,” Murray said early in the conversation. “These guys are not historians. They’re not knowledgeable about anything.”
“I just think, ‘I’d like to talk to that person.&#8217;” Rogan said of his guest choice.
The far-Left Hollywood Reporter, sensing a weakness in Rogan’s podcasting armor, called the podcaster’s recent tilt, “Dangerous.” That’s overstating it, but <a href="https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/joe-rogan-douglas-murray-podcast-1236192416/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">it’s neither healthy nor helpful.</a>
A week later, Darryl Cooper arrived to perform his act, which can be described as offering outrageous provocations he then half walks back so he can repeat them all again tomorrow. In September, Cooper had appeared on Tucker Carlson’s podcast to say that Churchill was the real villain in World War II and that Nazis didn’t want to kill Jews in concentration camps; Jews only “ended up dead” because Germany didn’t have the resources to take care of them.
Murray and Smith didn’t name call or insult one another during the often-tense exchange. Rogan proved an avuncular host, trying to keep the parties on an even keel. The two sparred over foreign policy, the Ukraine war, and, most passionately, the Israel-Hamas conflict.
Murray’s silky-smooth delivery and impeccable grasp of the facts mattered. Smith brought an Everyman’s perspective to the party, often appearing overmatched in the dustup.
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Who “won” depends partly on who you were rooting for prior to the exchange. Both landed some blows, from Murray detailing the horrors of October 7 to Smith sharing the devastation in Gaza from the extended conflict.
It’s increasingly rare to watch these kinds of debates play out on the pop culture landscape. Hollywood’s near total domination by the Left means there’s little appetite for these healthy exchanges. 
Consider today’s late-night hosts. They all sing from the same progressive hymnal and invite progressive guests on to nod along with the audience. The host of ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” just raged against President Donald Trump in a Rolling Stone interview. Here’s part of his <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/jimmy-kimmel-trump-late-night-future-interview-1235315906/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">jeremiad against all things GOP</a>.
&#8220;There’s no decency. It’s just a bunch of animals [emphasis added], and it’s disgusting… I mean, on the Fourth of July, I still put up a flag, and I’m never going to stop doing that, because I’m never going to let them have that symbol.&#8221;
Does that sound like someone willing to host a free and fair debate on his platform? Why can’t Kimmel invite someone like Dr. Jordan Peterson or Greg Gutfeld on his show for a civil conversation? It would make for compelling TV and might boost the show’s ratings.
Plus, audiences might take away something valuable from it beyond demonizing those with whom they disagree. It’s increasingly clear folks on the Left aren’t interested in that kind of exchange.
There is an exception, though. Classical liberal Bill Maher, both on his HBO talk show and “Club Random” podcast, routinely invites Right-leaning guests to talk out their differences. Think Dave Rubin, Kid Rock, and actor Zachary Levi, to name just three.
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Rogan probably didn’t like to hear someone like Murray, well-regarded in many circles, dressing him down on his own show. He needed to hear it all the same. It’s reminiscent of another pivotal moment from the show’s past.
Rogan invited then-Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey on his show for what appeared to be a tepid chat that let Dorsey slink away from his platform’s censorious ways. Rogan got an earful from his fans who felt he had let the CEO off too easily. So he invited Dorsey back on the show, but brought backup.
He added journalist gadfly <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCBRHOg3PQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Tim Pool to the conversation</a>. Pool brought some unflattering receipts, and the exchange proved far more illuminating than the first interview.
Perhaps Rogan needed a reminder of why his show matters and the consequences of having one of the biggest podcasts in the country.
Uncle Ben would be proud if he took that lesson seriously.
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Christian Toto is an award-winning journalist, movie critic and editor of <a href="https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">HollywoodInToto.com</a>. He previously served as associate editor with Breitbart News’ Big Hollywood. Follow him at <a href="https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">HollywoodInToto.com</a>.
The views expressed in this piece are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The Daily Wire.

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