The 10 Most Incredible Exchanges From The House UAP Hearing
David Grusch, former National Reconnaissance Officer Representative on the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force, arrives to testify during a House Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs hearing titled "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security Public Safety and Government Transparency," on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, on July 26, 2023.

On Wednesday, the House Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs held the much anticipated hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).

Two of the three witnesses who addressed the Committee under oath were former Navy pilot and Americans for Safe Aerospace executive director Ryan Graves, and Retired Navy Commander David Fravor. The third witness was whistleblower David Grusch, a decorated military veteran and intelligence official who served in Afghanistan and formerly worked at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA). Grusch was the National Reconnaissance Office’s (NRO) representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force beginning in 2019.

While certain responses couldn’t be provided in an open session under threat of legal action, and would require David Grusch to enter a SCIF (secure compartmented information facility) with members of Congress, during the portion of the hearing in which representatives questioned the witnesses, several extraordinary exchanges still stood out.

Injury or Murder

One of the more explosive questions came when Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) asked David Grusch if he knew of anyone who had been “harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal … extraterrestrial technology.”

Burchett: Do you have any personal knowledge of people that have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?

Grusch: Yes. Personally.

Burchett followed up by asking if, to Grusch’s knowledge, anyone had been “murdered.”

Grusch replied: “I have to be careful asking that question. I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.”


Rep. Robert Garcia (D-CA) asked Grusch if he believed the federal government has retrieved non-human craft, and where they might be stored.

Grusch responded that he does believe the government is in possession of craft, based on interviews with 40 witnesses, and that he knows “the exact locations and those locations were provided to the Inspector General.”

He added: “I actually had the people with the firsthand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the Inspector General.”


Fear of life

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) asked Grusch if he has “had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life for addressing these issues.”

Grusch responded in the affirmative.

Cease and Desist

Rep. Luna asked Ryan Graves if “commercial airline pilots [are] receiving cease and desist letters from corporations for coming forward with information in regard to safety — for potential airline passengers.”

Graves replied: “I have been made privy to conversations with commercial aviators who have received cease and desist orders.”

Luna then stated that these companies are putting their reputations ahead of the safety of the American people.

Is This China?

Rep. Burchett asked retired Cmdr. David Fravor about the apparent jamming technology experienced from UAPs.

Burchett: Did you experience any of that jamming or interrupting your radar or weapons system?

Fravor: My crew that launched after we landed experienced significant jamming to the APG-73 radar — which was what we had on board, which is a mechanically scanned, very high-end system. … And yes, it did pretty much everything you could do: range, velocity, aspect…

Burchett: Are you aware of any of our enemies that have that capability?

Fravor: No

Aggressive Behavior (Human and Non-Human)

A fascinating exchange occurred between Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO) and Grusch, who alleged “disturbing” behavior by UAPs and by people in the federal government.

Burlison: Has any of the activity been aggressive, been hostile in your reports?

Grusch: I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured…

Burlison: By UAPs or by people in the federal government?

Grusch: Both.

Bulison: So there has been activity by alien or non-human technology and/or beings that has caused harm to humans?

Grusch: I can’t get into specifics in an open environment. But at least the activity that I personally witnessed … what I personally witnessed — myself and my wife — was very disturbing.

What Do They Look Like?

Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) asked Graves what the common appearance was of craft seen by Navy pilots with whom he had worked.

Graves said that, primarily, the craft seen have been “dark gray or black cubes inside of a clear sphere.”

Holman Rule

After asking a series of questions concerning national security, Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN) said that he believes Congress should demand to speak with Grusch in a SCIF (secure compartmented information facility), and “if that access is denied, I will personally volunteer to initiate the Holman rule against any personnel, or any program, or any agency that denies access to Congress.”

As The Washington Examiner explains, “The Holman rule is an appropriation power that allows Congress to reduce the salary of or effectively fire a government employee. The rule also allows Congress to cut funding from certain programs the government operates.”

Non-Human Recoveries

And perhaps the most explosive claim came when Rep. Mace asked Grusch about UAP “pilots.”

Mace: If you believe we have crashed craft — as stated earlier — do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?

Grusch: As I’ve stated publicly already in my News Nation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries, yeah.

Mace: Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?

Grusch: Non-human — and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.

What Next?

Lastly, Rep. Mace (R-SC) asked Grusch what agencies and contractors should be called into the next hearing.

Grusch said he could provide “a specific cooperative and hostile witness list of specific individuals” after the hearing.

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