<p>Punk rock icon Nick Cave said the way to &#8220;f***&#8221; with people in 2023 is to &#8220;go to church and be a conservative.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Australian musician, best known as the frontman of &#8220;Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds,&#8221; has opened up about his journey back to his faith, which he describes as conflicting and complicated.</p>
<p>The rockstar <a href="https://unherd.com/2023/04/nick-cave-on-christ-and-the-devil/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">told</a> UnHerd&#8217;s Freddie Sayers last week that he wasn&#8217;t anti-establishment early in his career, as rockstars generally were. Instead, he tried to &#8220;irritate&#8221; his peers and his audience.</p>
<p>&#8220;I came from Australia &#8230; I didn&#8217;t have that political furry, but I was much more concerned with f***ing with people on a different kind of a level,&#8221; he said. &#8220;And I was always sort of at odds with my peers, I would say.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;So, what&#8217;s the equivalent today,&#8221; Sayers asked Cave. &#8220;How do you f*** with people, today?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You be a conservative,&#8221; the &#8220;Red Right Hand&#8221; singer quickly responded. &#8220;You go to church and be a conservative.&#8221;</p>
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<p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nick Cave&#39;s early punk music energy was all about &quot;fucking with people,&quot; he told me.</p>
<p>Me: &quot;How do you fuck with people in 2023?&quot;</p>
<p>Cave: &quot;You&#39;d go to church and be a conservative.&quot;</p>
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<p>&#8220;There may now be a conservative edge to things, but that word I would use cautiously,&#8221; Cave said about his more recent creativity. &#8220;Certainly these days I still get similar delight, which I got in the early days, in sort of f***ing with people to some degree. There is something about living outside the expectations of other people that is energizing.&#8221;</p>
<p>During the same interview, Cave discussed self-censorship in our culture and said he feels &#8220;a kind of wet blanket has been thrown over art in general, and this is just not good.&#8221;</p>
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<p>&#8220;What is the wet blanket?&#8221; the 65-year-old continued. &#8220;Well, a squeamish, censorious, merciless idea that there are certain things that you can get away with saying and certain things that you can’t get away with saying.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But I get tired of hearing people say: &#8216;Well, you can’t say this; I think this, but you can’t say this,'&#8221; Cave explained. &#8220;That’s reflective of a mood, but I don’t think it’s true. I don’t think there are things that you can’t say. You just need to take the consequences of saying certain sorts of things.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Now these consequences are brutal, and merciless, and unjust sometimes, and it’s distressing to see these things happen,&#8221; he added.</p>
<p>In 2015, Cave&#8217;s 15-year-old son, Arthur, died after falling off a cliff near the family&#8217;s home. The tragedy, and other events in Cave&#8217;s life, have changed how the songwriter sees the world and humanity.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now I see the world in a completely different way, and see human beings in a completely different way,&#8221; Cave told UnHerd. &#8220;I see the brokenness of human beings, but also the unbelievable value of human beings. This is something that, back then, I could never have imagined I would have felt. I think it has something to do with becoming a more complete person, through a series of things that have happened to me through my life — things that have happened to us all, probably.&#8221;</p>

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