<p>Daily Wire host Candace Owens and Dr. Robert Malone, a vaccine scientist who worked on the development of mRNA technology, discussed during their hours-long conversation how godlessness, or atheism, plays into pandemic panic.</p>
<p>The issue popped up after Owens detailed a phone conversation she had with academic and popular podcast host Sam Harris, who is an atheist, early on in the pandemic.</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not say this to knock him at all, it was just something that stuck with me for a very long time,&#8221; Owens recalled.</p>
<p>The BLEXIT founder said she received a call from Harris while she was on the road for work and speaking out against lockdown policies.</p>
<p>&#8220;He sounded like he was in a bunker, and was just like, &#8216;You don&#8217;t understand, there&#8217;s going to be gurneys in the streets,&#8217; and, &#8216;I know doctors in Italy, this is what&#8217;s going to happen in two weeks in the United States,’” Owens said Harris told her.</p>
<p>&#8220;He was in a mania,&#8221; she said. &#8220;I just sort of listened to him, because, in my head, I wanted to be kind, but I was looking at my husband, thinking, this man needs a therapist.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;He was unstable,&#8221; she added, &#8220;and this is a smart person who got himself into this position.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s probably relevant that he&#8217;s an atheist,&#8221; Owens asserted.</p>
<p>Malone agreed with the analysis, offering that religious people have a stronger sense of community which grounds them and makes them less likely to fall into a &#8220;psychosis&#8221; or panic about an issue, in this case concerning COVID-19.</p>
<p>&#8220;You just hit on another key point,&#8221; the doctor told Owens. &#8220;Among those of us that have our eyes very wide open, there&#8217;s a very strong contingent of folks that have very strong religious beliefs systems &#8212; they&#8217;re grounded in that world. And one of the things that they all share, is they have a solid community. They didn&#8217;t need to have a new community. They weren&#8217;t suffering from these senses of being disassociated from community; they had a community.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The intellectuals are as, or <em>more</em> prone&#8221; to such panic, Malone added.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Owens noted that, to her, there&#8217;s &#8220;no such thing as an atheist,&#8221; explaining that people will find one thing or another to make their god or their religion. </span></p>
<p>&#8220;People need to believe in something,&#8221; Owens said, referencing how &#8220;government has become god&#8221; to some, others have taken up the religion of climate change, and &#8220;Covid is now a religion,&#8221; which has religious &#8220;symbols&#8221; like wearing a mask to show virtue or goodness.</p>
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<p><strong>Related: <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/censored-scientist-dr-malone-slams-bill-gates-in-candace-interview-a-leopard-cant-change-its-spots">Censored Scientist Dr. Malone Slams Bill Gates In ‘Candace’ Interview: ‘A Leopard Can’t Change Its Spots’</a></strong></p>

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