<p>On Friday&#8217;s episode of HBO&#8217;s &#8220;Real Time with Bill Maher,&#8221; Daily Wire Editor Emeritus Ben Shapiro stumped CNN commentator and former state Rep. Bakari Sellers (D-SC) in a debate on &#8220;systematic racism.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, Sellers took the stance that &#8220;systemic racism&#8221; in 2024 has made life worse for black Americans than it was during the time of Jim Crow laws, citing black home ownership statistics. &#8220;I can make the case for that being the welfare state,&#8221; Shapiro interjected.</p>
<p>Sellers then quickly argued that &#8220;systems of injustice and oppression&#8221; in the U.S., citing &#8220;food deserts,&#8221; poor infrastructure, and the lack of &#8220;clean water&#8221; in black areas.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bakari,&#8221; Shapiro again interjected, &#8220;is your life as a black man worse or better than it would have been had you been born in 1920?&#8221;</p>
<p>The CNN commentator suggested they are worse, saying his father &#8220;feels like things in this country are at 1954.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If I were to say to you, as a Jew, that the experience of Jews in the United States today is worse than the experience of Jews in Europe in 1939, I would not be stating accurately — it is not true,&#8221; Shapiro responded. &#8220;And it&#8217;s also not true to say that the experience of black people in America in 2024 is worse, on a general level, than the experience of black men in 1954 in Alabama.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sellers stayed adamant in his position, moving on to talk about the high rate of African American female mortality in childbirth.</p>
<p>Shapiro told the former rep that &#8220;black people in the United States have a lower household income, median household income.&#8221;</p>
<p>“I would call bulls***, because it actually crosses [over] socioeconomic lines,&#8221; Sellers responded.</p>
<p>“Then white doctors are racist?” Shapiro answered, to which Sellers argued that &#8220;implicit bias in our healthcare delivery system&#8221; is to blame.</p>
<p>“[And it] would have nothing to do with the rates of, say, pregnant obesity by various communities?&#8221; Shapiro said. &#8220;There are many, many confounds when it comes to these particular issues. And unless you remove the statistical confounds, you end up with trying to blame vague, shadowy figures like &#8216;implicit bias,&#8217; which are insanely difficult, if not impossible to measure.&#8221;</p>
<p>“I don&#8217;t know what he just said,&#8221; Sellers said.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" lang="en">NEW: Ben Shapiro and Bill Maher hammer former SC state Rep. Bakari Sellers who claimed ‘systemic racism’ is getting worse for black Americans.</p>
<p>Sellers: “One of my major political issues is African American female mortality&#8230;”</p>
<p>Shapiro: “That&#8217;s also true in Europe, by the way.”… <a href="https://t.co/NjSqN22C1S">pic.twitter.com/NjSqN22C1S</a></p>
<p>— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) <a href="https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1812125464313713115?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2024</a></p></blockquote>
<p>The moment went viral online, as some folks brought up Sellers recently stating on ABC&#8217;s &#8220;The View&#8221; that Shapiro lacks the &#8220;intellect&#8221; to have &#8220;honest discussion.&#8221;</p>
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<p dir="ltr" lang="en">How it started: How it&#8217;s going: <a href="https://t.co/C8MigJzoLq">pic.twitter.com/C8MigJzoLq</a></p>
<p>— Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1811986185159426325?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2024</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Related: <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/ben-shapiro-blasts-cnns-bakari-sellers-busts-media-narrative-that-no-one-knew-about-bidens-deteriorating-health" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ben Shapiro Blasts CNN’s Bakari Sellers, Busts Media Narrative That No One Knew About Biden’s Deteriorating Health</a></strong></p>

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