On Friday evening, CNN’s Chris Cuomo spoke with Liz Swisher, Yale graduate and classmate of SCOTUS nominee Brett Kavanaugh.
During their exchange, Swisher told Cuomo that Kavanaugh is “lying” about heavy drinking in his youth:
CUOMO: So, you heard me talking to your friend Lynne last night, and her feelings that – she’s a Republican, she believes in Kavanagh’s pedigree as a jurist, but she heard him say things under oath that she knows not to be true. Do you share her opinion?
SWISHER: I do. I absolutely share her opinion.
CUOMO: How so? What do you know about Brett Kavanaugh that he was not truthful about in the hearing?
SWISHER: Well, I’ve known Brett since the very beginning of freshman year. He was always one of the beer-drinking boys, and I drank beer with him. I liked beer – there’s no problem with drinking beer in college. The problem is lying about it.
He drank heavily; he was a partier. He liked to do beer bongs; he played drinking games. He was a sloppy drunk. He was more interested in impressing the boys than he was in impressing the girls. I never saw him be sexually aggressive, but he definitely was sloppy drunk.
CUOMO: So, in terms of the allegations of a more serious nature, you have nothing on that. You never saw him do anything that you would call wrong or offensive or inappropriate with any women. Good to [note] out of fairness. However, his description of himself as, certainly in high school – I was about my church programs, going to church, studying, being number one, doing my sports teams. Didn’t have sex in high school. Didn’t have sex for many years after that. Loved beer, but that’s it. Nothing to excess. You don’t buy it?
SWISHER: I don’t but it. That’s not the Brett I knew as soon as I met him in college; it’s not the Brett I saw during four years at Yale, and I don’t think many of his answers were credible. I really question any senator that believes the “Ralph Club” had something to do with his known weak stomach. I knew of no weak stomach. That’s not what ralphing means to any college kid.
CUOMO: Yes, it usually means that you’ve just thrown up from drinking too much, in general. … Let me ask you something though. If he is lying about how much he liked drinking, and whether or not he got drunk a lot, if he is not telling the truth about that, do you think that that is disqualifying for him in this nomination?
SWISHER: Absolutely. That’s perjury. He was under oath.
CUOMO: Even if it’s not about the main allegations. Even if he’s telling the truth that “I’m not the one who did this to Christine Ford; I didn’t do what your former roommate at Yale, Ramirez, alleges. I never did that to her. I was never there; I didn’t do any of that.” If he’s truthful about all that, but not telling the truth about how he was with booze, that’s enough for you?
SWISHER: That’s enough for me. I would have stayed on the sidelines if he had said, “I drank to excess in high school. I drank to excess in college. I did some stupid things, but I never sexually assaulted anybody” – that I would have stayed on the sidelines for. I didn’t have any credible evidence to the contrary. But to lie under oath; to lie about that? Then what else is true? To blur, you know, in the highest position in the judiciary in our land, to not know the difference between truth and lies, that’s just terrible. And it’s not about women versus men; it’s not about Democrats versus Republicans; it’s about the integrity of the Supreme Court.
Lynne Brookes, roommate of Deborah Ramirez at Yale, made similar remarks to CNN’s Chris Cuomo on Thursday, saying: “A number of my Yale colleagues and I were extremely disappointed in Kavanaugh’s characterization of himself and the way that he evaded his excessive drinking questions.”
She later added that she had even drunk with Kavanaugh while at Yale.