“Pints with Aquinas” host Matt Fradd released a special Christmas episode on DailyWire+ on Wednesday, as he prepares to officially join The Daily Wire’s stacked podcast lineup in January.
Fradd was joined by Dr. Scott Hahn, a renowned theologian and Catholic apologist, and the two dove into many theological topics, ranging from the prophecies of Christ, to the story of the nativity and the importance of Mary.
Their discourse started out by addressing the awe-inspiring fact of Jesus Christ choosing to become fully human and beginning his earthly journey as an unborn child.
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“I was thinking about the scandal of the manger and I was reminded of St Augustine’s words,” Fradd said. “[Augustine] says, ‘He whom the heavens cannot contain the womb of one woman bore. She ruled our ruler. … She gave milk to our bread.’”
Hahn agreed that the concept is often overlooked by Christians. “Because it’s not just the scandal of the cross that Saint Paul speaks of in First Corinthians 1 and 2. It’s also the scandal of the incarnation that God becomes man, that God becomes a zygote, that God becomes an embryo, a newborn child, God in the manger, you know, and I can hear my Christian friends saying, ‘So what’s what’s the problem?’”
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“And I would suggest that they ought to go on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land and maybe stop by Bethlehem because you’re surrounded by Jews and Muslims. And if you’re just wondering… what’s the scandal of God becoming flesh, God becoming a baby in the womb of the Blessed Virgin? You know, look at it through their eyes… we’re not even made in [the image and likeness of Allah] according to Islam.”
“And so we recognize in the Christian faith, especially in the Advent season, leading up to Christmas, that we’re dealing with a God who is personal, who is concerned about us as persons,” he added. “And it’s almost not fitting for a God that immense.”
Fradd and Hahn also discussed how people can celebrate a beautiful Christmas with their families.
“In Advent and Christmas I would say start small,” said Hahn. “I mean, when I think back to what we’ve done as a family, what my parents did as non-practicing Christians, every once in a while we began with an Advent wreath with the four candles … and then to gather around it each evening and sing an Advent song or a Christmas carol.”
Hahn suggested reading scripture together and keeping it short, especially for parents with small children. “That has been an anchor for us as a family, and that is the Advent wreath,” he added.
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