In today’s episode of The Michael Knowles Show, Michael is joined by Jamie Kilstein from the Jamie Kilstein podcast to talk about breaking out of the liberal bubble, the fact that conservatives have a sense of humor, and social media hate.
"I was shocked by, when we were talking before the show and you were like 'yeah man I really like Norm MacDonald,' and I was like, 'you people like comedy?'" Kilstein said.
Kilstein's takeaway, he says, after listening to other right-leaning podcasts is that we all want the same things — we just disagree on how to achieve them.
"... what I'm starting to learn by talking to more conservatives or libertarians is we still want people to be happy and healthy and safe, and if we don't talk about why we disagree on the policy, we're never gonna actually get to solutions, you know what I mean?" Kilstein said.
Video and transcript below:
Michael Knowles: So, thanks Jaime you are – you're a lefty.
Jamie Kilstein: Yeah.
MK: You're not a conservative.
MK: You're decided and you were–
JK: Well, we purposely kept me out of here for the headlines just so we can actually do the interview and I was like hey I have a list of grievances!
MK: But you – you weren't just a run-of-the-mill Lefty. You wrote for The Huffington Post. You were a woke comedian, play clubs and all that, and that has changed recently. What's that about?
JK: I mean, part of it is like even when I came here – so when I came here this is the first – I've done [Joe] Rogan's show, who has had people from both sides of the aisle on, but this is definitely the first conservative show and I was gonna say even when I said conservative I had to put it in quotes because I'm so not used to saying that word. And hey, everyone here's been lovely and really nice and I don't know what I expected, especially being in Los Angeles.
MK: Like, not see gremlins at the wall?
JK: That's what I thought and would just be like in a dumpster and everyone –
MK: That was our old set.
JK: Oh good, the Nazi dumpster. Yeah I saw it on my way over here in a back alley in the back alley where other people get an illegal abortion. And everyone here has been nice. Very nice.
MK: You're shocked by this I'm sure.
JK: I was shocked by, when we were talking before the show and you were like "yeah man I really like Norm MacDonald" and I was like "you people like comedy?"
MK: You guys laugh?
JK: Yeah and I heard that. I thought you just laughed at like Mexican children in cages. Jordan Peterson, when he was on Rogan I think, no, he was on Theo Von's show and he was like "yeah I really like a comedian, Mitch Hedberg," and I was like "what?" Like my mind was blown and ever since I kind of stepped away from being political. What I've tried to do is just be like how do I be a better person and I started listening to not even political voices, really, but I started listening to like Tim Ferriss' show, or Rogan's more, or Jocko Willink, and I realized that back in the day – and I'm not, I didn't hang out with like moderate liberals like it was very left of like–
MK: The left of Lenin. The woke bro.
JK: It was like, had you told someone you were depressed they were like 'that's a micro aggression toward me' and you're like "cool I don't know what to do anymore."
MK: How was depression a microaggression?
JK: I don't know because it makes me sad right now and I just want to live in like my bubble happy land. Yeah, it's very much a bubble.
MK: I mean, cause you know we're joking about this you say "I'm shocked that you guys were nice." We're half joking about this.
JK: Yeah, yeah I'm not really….
MK: This is a real thing, this bubble is. Because I think conservatives are shocked by this. Is it really just because conservatives usually don't have the opportunity to be in a bubble in so much as the culture is kind of a left-wing culture? So, when you're in you kind of hear the left-wing point of view especially, you know, I lived in New York, Atlanta later, then L.A. I mean, these are free left-wing places.
JK: Yeah, I mean, I always disagree to that because like right now it's like, well, the government is being run by conservatives, right? And you're right when it comes to narratives, when it comes to loud voices, especially on social media, that's kind of like our turf and if I were to – you know, listen to all these shows – like becoming friends with you and hearing other people's points of views especially like, here's what I learned from Jocko. Nothing about the military, just about how discipline's good and I thought sort of like, discipline was like some evil right-wing word and it's like, no that's really good.
MK: It makes your life better.
JK: Yeah responsibility. Like me taking responsibility or the words like honor or family. It's weird that even those words, which should be very positive things, have been sort of turned into conservative talking points, right? And so when I started listening to these people who were kind of demonized by my tribe, I was like, well, they say a lot of stuff I really like and I agree with. Like, Jordan Peterson is a really great example. Like, when I first heard him I literally thought I was gonna be listening to, like, Nazi propaganda and he was like–
MK: He saves that for his private audience.
JK: Yeah that's for the Patreon subscribers. Yeah, but he was like, walk with your shoulders back and have confidence and clean up your room and I'm like, man so many young men, I needed to hear that stuff. Like, there are a lot of young men who need to hear that and even me right now saying young man. Well, I shouldn't be talking about young men, because they were also like Mexican, transgender people that I should be talking about, and I think that we should be talking about all people and how to be better toward all people. And me and you disagree on how to do it, but what I'm starting to learn by talking to more conservatives or libertarians is we still want people to be happy and healthy and safe and if we don't talk about why we disagree on the policy, we're never gonna actually get to solutions, you know what I mean?