In this exclusive Sessions interview, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Michael Shellenberger discuss Elon Musk’s evolution from entrepreneur to global change agent, his relationship with Donald Trump, and his vehement defense of free speech.

Michael Shellenberger is the founder of Public, the C.B.R. Chair of Politics, Censorship, and Free Speech at the University of Austin, and the best-selling author of San Fransicko: Why Progressives Ruin Cities (HarperCollins 2021) and Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All (HarperCollins 2020). He is a Time Magazine "Hero of the Environment," Green Book Award winner, Dao Journalism Prize-winner, and Founder of Civilization Works.

Michael has broken major stories, including on the Twitter Files, for which he won the 2023 Dao Award for journalism; the Censorship Industrial Complex; San Francisco’s cash incentives for homelessness; the “Amazon Forest are the lungs of the world” myth; climate pseudoscience; climate anxiety; the U.S. government support for fracking; and forest management, climate change, and California’s fires.

This episode was filmed on January 14th, 2025


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For Michael Shellenberger:

On X https://x.com/shellenberger?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor 

Public.News on Substack https://www.public.news/ 

Michael On Substack https://substack.com/@shellenberger 

Preorder Michael’s upcoming book “Pathocracy” https://www.buffalostreetbooks.com/book/9780063421578 


Dr. Peterson discusses education challenges, praising homeschooling over the flawed K-12 system, exploring new learning models, and stressing critical thinking in a world dominated by low-attention span media environments. He also highlights the importance of teacher passion, character development, and guiding young adults toward responsibility and purpose.

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(The views expressed on "Answer The Call" are presented for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes, and are not intended as medical, nutritional, or psychological advice. Viewers are strongly encouraged to consult with a qualified healthcare professional before making any decisions based on the content presented.)



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Navigating Education, Ideology, and Children | Answer the Call

Dr. Peterson answers caller questions on marriage and family, offering practical advice on how to support your spouse, navigate parenting challenges, overcome the impact of past relationships, and balance multicultural influences. His guidance helps build strong, lasting marriages grounded in patience and understanding.

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Master Relationships and Improve Your Dating Life | Answer the Call 

Callers share tragedies: cancer, addiction, loss, and more. Dr. Peterson offers profound advice on navigating suffering with faith, family support, and practical strategies for overcoming the darkest moments life throws at us. He emphasizes finding strength and gratitude even in the darkest times.

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How You Should Deal with Stress and Tragedy | Answer the Call

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson is joined by his daughter Mikhaila Fuller as they address listener questions on having children, understanding women, how to help your wife through motherhood, navigating and avoiding resentment, dealing with family conflict and more. We hope you enjoy it.

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(The views expressed on "Answer The Call" are presented for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes, and are not intended as medical, nutritional, or psychological advice. Viewers are strongly encouraged to consult with a qualified healthcare professional before making any decisions based on the content presented.)

Family Conflicts, Difficult Children & Overcoming Resentment | Answer The Call

The views expressed on "Answer The Call" are presented for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes, and are not intended as medical, nutritional, or psychological advice. Viewers are strongly encouraged to consult with a qualified healthcare professional before making any decisions based on the content presented.

How do you raise strong kids in a distracted, digital world full of bullying? Dr. Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila take calls on bullying, social media, dating apps, and how parents can help kids resist the algorithm, build real resilience, and face modern challenges with confidence and clarity. 

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Advice for Dealing with Bullies, Big Tech and Social Media | Answer the Call

Join Dr. Peterson for five standout moments from behind the DW+ paywall: Megyn Kelly reflects on motherhood, IVF, and the need for cultural matchmaking beyond Tinder; Michael Saylor makes the case for Bitcoin as decentralized economic sovereignty and outlines its political rise; Dr. Gary Nolan discusses extraterrestrial life, unprocessed UAP data, and what orbs might reveal; Douglas Murray joins Jordan to explore the theological foundations of Western civilization, Islam’s internal crisis, and the meaning of voluntary sacrifice; and Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen breaks down the complex genetic and social factors behind autism’s rising diagnoses and unique cognitive strengths. Subscribe to DailyWire+ so you don’t miss a single interview! http://dwpluspeterson.com/yt 

In Answer the Call, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson returns to his roots, taking real calls from real people facing life’s hardest questions. Joined by his daughter, Mikhaila Fuller, the series transforms personal struggles into public insight—offering wisdom, empathy, and clarity in the face of chaos. Coming to DailyWire+ Monday, 8/4. A new podcast series, featured within Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s episodes on YouTube and including an exclusive member segment on DailyWire+.

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5 Great Moments From Behind the Paywall

What happens when you ignore a dragon? Dr. Jordan B. Peterson reads and analyzes “There’s No Such Thing as a Dragon” by Jack Kent, exploring its psychological and mythological depth. Using the children’s story as a springboard, Peterson unpacks themes of willful blindness, familial dysfunction, and the archetypal hero’s journey. He draws connections to ancient Egyptian mythology, the Exodus narrative, and the crucifixion of Christ—arguing that dragons—both literal and symbolic—grow when we refuse to confront them. If you’ve ever wondered what a kid’s book has to do with the fate of your household, your children, or your soul—this is the lecture for you.

This episode was filmed on June 28th, 2025

In Answer the Call, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson returns to his roots, taking real calls from real people facing life’s hardest questions. Joined by his daughter, Mikhaila Fuller, the series transforms personal struggles into public insight—offering wisdom, empathy, and clarity in the face of chaos. Coming to DailyWire+ Monday, 8/4. A new podcast series, featured within Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s episodes on YouTube and including an exclusive member segment on DailyWire+.

Have a question you’d like to ask? Share your story here: dailywire.com/answerthecall



The Meaning Of: There’s No Such Thing as a Dragon

In this episode, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with behavioral researcher and bestselling author Vanessa Van Edwards to unpack the secret language of nonverbal communication. From the handshake that builds trust to the subtle cues that sabotage careers, they explore how posture, eye contact, tone, and gesture shape perception—often before a single word is spoken. Drawing on Vanessa’s research and her own journey as a “recovering awkward person” turned master communicator, the conversation spans job interviews, power dynamics, mirroring, charisma, and how to read a room at its most fundamental level. Learn why neck ratios matter, vocal fry backfires, and presence begins long before you speak.

This episode was filmed on July 16th, 2025


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For Vanessa Van Edwards

On X https://x.com/vvanedwards?lang=en 

The Science of People website https://www.scienceofpeople.com/ 

Read “Cues: Master the Secret Language of Charismatic Communication” https://a.co/d/2ZODCds 

Coming August 4th: In Answer the Call, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson returns to his roots, taking real calls from real people facing life’s hardest questions. Joined by his daughter, Mikhaila Fuller, the series transforms personal struggles into public insight—offering wisdom, empathy, and clarity in the face of chaos. Coming to DailyWire+ Monday, 8/4. A new podcast series, featured within Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s episodes on YouTube and including an exclusive member segment on DailyWire+.

Have a question you’d like to ask? Share your story here: dailywire.com/answerthecall


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