Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and entrepreneur Michael Saylor discuss how money, morality, and civilization break down. Saylor argues that fiat currency is not just flawed—it’s actively corrosive. He presents Bitcoin as the antidote: a form of pure digital energy, resistant to decay, inflation, and political manipulation. Through thermodynamics, theology, and history, Saylor paints a stark picture of civilizational entropy and proposes Bitcoin as the only incorruptible foundation on which a sustainable future can be built. If we don’t fix the money, he warns, everything else falls.

This episode was filmed on May 30th, 2025.

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For Michael Saylor:

On X https://x.com/saylor

Website https://www.michael.com/

Read “What is Money” https://a.co/d/c1t4izi