In this episode of the Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, we continue our dive into Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life. This compilation episode is focused on Rule 2: "Imagine who you could be, and then aim single-mindedly at that." It includes interviews with Dave Rubin, Tom Bilyeu, Chris Williamson, and more.

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How do you raise strong kids in a distracted, digital world full of bullying? Dr. Peterson and his daughter Mikhaila take calls on bullying, social media, dating apps, and how parents can help kids resist the algorithm, build real resilience, and face modern challenges with confidence and clarity. 

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Join Dr. Peterson for five standout moments from behind the DW+ paywall: Megyn Kelly reflects on motherhood, IVF, and the need for cultural matchmaking beyond Tinder; Michael Saylor makes the case for Bitcoin as decentralized economic sovereignty and outlines its political rise; Dr. Gary Nolan discusses extraterrestrial life, unprocessed UAP data, and what orbs might reveal; Douglas Murray joins Jordan to explore the theological foundations of Western civilization, Islam’s internal crisis, and the meaning of voluntary sacrifice; and Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen breaks down the complex genetic and social factors behind autism’s rising diagnoses and unique cognitive strengths. Subscribe to DailyWire+ so you don’t miss a single interview! http://dwpluspeterson.com/yt 

In Answer the Call, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson returns to his roots, taking real calls from real people facing life’s hardest questions. Joined by his daughter, Mikhaila Fuller, the series transforms personal struggles into public insight—offering wisdom, empathy, and clarity in the face of chaos. Coming to DailyWire+ Monday, 8/4. A new podcast series, featured within Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s episodes on YouTube and including an exclusive member segment on DailyWire+.

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5 Great Moments From Behind the Paywall

What happens when you ignore a dragon? Dr. Jordan B. Peterson reads and analyzes “There’s No Such Thing as a Dragon” by Jack Kent, exploring its psychological and mythological depth. Using the children’s story as a springboard, Peterson unpacks themes of willful blindness, familial dysfunction, and the archetypal hero’s journey. He draws connections to ancient Egyptian mythology, the Exodus narrative, and the crucifixion of Christ—arguing that dragons—both literal and symbolic—grow when we refuse to confront them. If you’ve ever wondered what a kid’s book has to do with the fate of your household, your children, or your soul—this is the lecture for you.

This episode was filmed on June 28th, 2025

In Answer the Call, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson returns to his roots, taking real calls from real people facing life’s hardest questions. Joined by his daughter, Mikhaila Fuller, the series transforms personal struggles into public insight—offering wisdom, empathy, and clarity in the face of chaos. Coming to DailyWire+ Monday, 8/4. A new podcast series, featured within Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s episodes on YouTube and including an exclusive member segment on DailyWire+.

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The Meaning Of: There’s No Such Thing as a Dragon

In this episode, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with behavioral researcher and bestselling author Vanessa Van Edwards to unpack the secret language of nonverbal communication. From the handshake that builds trust to the subtle cues that sabotage careers, they explore how posture, eye contact, tone, and gesture shape perception—often before a single word is spoken. Drawing on Vanessa’s research and her own journey as a “recovering awkward person” turned master communicator, the conversation spans job interviews, power dynamics, mirroring, charisma, and how to read a room at its most fundamental level. Learn why neck ratios matter, vocal fry backfires, and presence begins long before you speak.

This episode was filmed on July 16th, 2025


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The Science of People website https://www.scienceofpeople.com/ 

Read “Cues: Master the Secret Language of Charismatic Communication” https://a.co/d/2ZODCds 

Coming August 4th: In Answer the Call, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson returns to his roots, taking real calls from real people facing life’s hardest questions. Joined by his daughter, Mikhaila Fuller, the series transforms personal struggles into public insight—offering wisdom, empathy, and clarity in the face of chaos. Coming to DailyWire+ Monday, 8/4. A new podcast series, featured within Dr. Jordan B. Peterson’s episodes on YouTube and including an exclusive member segment on DailyWire+.

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Unlocking the Hidden Power Of Body Language | Vanessa Van Edwards

In this exclusive Sessions interview, Dr. Jordan Peterson interviews behavioral researcher and bestselling author Vanessa Van Edwards for a deep dive into the science of charisma, the power of nonverbal cues, and how personality traits shape our social success. They explore her "People School" course, the warmth–competence model of perception, and how subtle behavioral changes—from eye contact to vocal tone—can dramatically shift how others see us. Packed with practical insights and grounded in psychological research, this interview is a must-watch for anyone who wants to improve their communication, confidence, and social fluency.

This episode was filmed on July 16th, 2025


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For Vanessa Van Edwards

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The Science of People website https://www.scienceofpeople.com/ 

Read “Cues: Master the Secret Language of Charismatic Communication” https://a.co/d/2ZODCds 

Sessions | Vanessa Van Edwards [DW+ Exclusive]

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In this narrative analysis, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson breaks down the Grimm Brothers’ “Hansel and Gretel,” revealing the psychological and symbolic dimensions hidden within the classic tale. From the selfishness of weak fathers and malevolent stepmothers to the false promises of hyper-solicitous care, Peterson explores how the abandonment of children into the unknown mirrors moral failure at home—and how faith, courage, and sibling love can redeem it. With echoes of biblical stories and and all too modern warning about overprotective parenting, this fairy tale becomes a rich allegory for navigating betrayal, scarcity, and emerging maturity.

This episode was filmed on July 5th, 2025.

The Meaning Of: Hansel & Gretel

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson interviews Stanford professor and prolific biotech entrepreneur Dr. Garry Nolan, covering the cutting-edge of cancer research and atomic-level imaging as well as his work with the U.S. government on anomalous health effects linked to unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs). Nolan explains how his scientific curiosity—and integrity—led him from debunking the infamous Atacama “alien” mummy to analyzing bizarre materials and biological effects tied to UAP encounters. Artificial intelligence, intuition, consciousness, and the blurry line between science fiction and scientific frontier, culminate in Nolan’s provisional belief: “something non-human has been here a long time.”

This episode was filmed on July 7th, 2025


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“Something Non-Human Has Been Here A Long Time” | Dr. Garry Nolan

In this exclusive Sessions interview, Dr. Jordan Peterson and Dr. Garry Nolan explore the stranger-than-fiction world of UAPs. They discuss the theatrical absurdity of “cow abductions,” early credible sightings of anomalous craft, and the possibility that Earth’s DNA has extraterrestrial origins. Nolan weighs in on the spy balloon incident as a wake-up call for U.S. defense, and pushes back on the idea that UAP discourse is a distraction—arguing instead that it’s driving policy and serious research.

This episode was filmed on July 7th, 2025


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Sessions | Dr. Garry Nolan [DW+ Exclusive]

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with psychologist and autism researcher Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen about the nature of empathy, systemizing, and the neurological basis of autism. This needed conversation explores how humans develop theory of mind, the differences between cognitive and affective empathy, and why some individuals gravitate toward systems over social interaction. They discuss the evolutionary roots of invention, gender differences in cognition, and how autistic traits relate to creativity and pattern recognition. Unflinchingly, they also discuss the darker side of empathy deficits—including psychopathy and cruelty—raising urgent questions about compassion, human development, and our capacity for evil.

Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry at the University of Cambridge, Simon Baron-Cohen is Director of the Autism Research Centre and a global leader in autism research. He pioneered the 'mindblindness' and 'empathizing-systemizing' theories, has authored over 770 scientific papers, and was knighted in 2021 for his contributions to autism understanding. His work spans clinical practice, public education, and cutting-edge research on cognitive sex differences, empathy, and neurodiversity.

This episode was filmed on July 5th, 2025


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Read Dr. Baron-Cohen’s most recent book, as discussed in the show, “The Pattern Seekers: How Autism Drives Human Invention” https://a.co/d/9hsG5MR 

What Do We Actually Know About Autism? | Sir Simon Baron-Cohen

In this exclusive Sessions interview, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen confront the striking 800% increase in autism across recent decades. Is autism a singular disorder, or a complex interplay of disabilities and strengths? Baron-Cohen unpacks the multifaceted reasons behind this surge, parsing out whether it’s an epidemic or a change in diagnosis. The implications stretch across society, education, and how we grasp individual identity. With deep ties to human invention, perception, and empathy—this is a much needed confrontation.

Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry at the University of Cambridge, Simon Baron-Cohen is Director of the Autism Research Centre and a global leader in autism research. He pioneered the 'mindblindness' and 'empathizing-systemizing' theories, has authored over 770 scientific papers, and was knighted in 2021 for his contributions to autism understanding. His work spans clinical practice, public education, and cutting-edge research on cognitive sex differences, empathy, and neurodiversity.

This episode was filmed on July 5th, 2025



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For Simon Baron-Cohen:

On X https://x.com/sbaroncohen?lang=en 
Read Dr. Baron-Cohen’s most recent book, as discussed in the show, “The Pattern Seekers: How Autism Drives Human Invention” https://a.co/d/9hsG5MR 


Sessions | Sir Simon Baron-Cohen [DW+ Exclusive]

In this deeply personal interview, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with Scott Adams, cartoonist and creator of Dilbert, to explore the unlikely paths that shape a life—from illustrating a nationally syndicated hit comic to fatal illness and facing the metaphysical. Adams shares stories of coincidence and perseverance, including how affirmations, setbacks, and sheer optimism propelled him from obscurity to national fame. The conversation dives into themes of malicious envy, systems versus goals, American culture, simulation theory, and the power of narrative perception. Both reflect on trauma, purpose, and survival—making this episode a profound meditation on how we author meaning in a truly absurd world.

This episode was filmed on July 7th, 2025


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On Youtube, watch or listen to the “Real Coffee With Scott Adams” podcast https://www.youtube.com/@RealCoffeewithScottAdams/videos 

Website https://dilbert.com/ 

Scott Adams and Jordan Peterson

In this exclusive Sessions interview, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Scott Adams discuss the reality of evil on the levels of symbolism, theology, and human malice.  

This episode was filmed on July 7th, 2025


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For Scott Adams:

On X https://x.com/scottadamssays?lang=en 

On Youtube, watch or listen to the “Real Coffee With Scott Adams” podcast https://www.youtube.com/@RealCoffeewithScottAdams/videos 

Website https://dilbert.com/ 

Sessions | Scott Adams [DW+ Exclusive]

Sparked by French’s recent New York Times article, “The Democrats’ $20 Million Man Problem,” he and Jordan Peterson discuss the societal failures contributing to male alienation—fatherlessness, loss of purpose, overmedication, and a culture that increasingly pathologizes masculinity. French shares personal insights as a father, veteran, and conservative commentator (Who is regularly published in Liberal outlets), and the two expand on themes of demoralization, the need for intentional rites of passage, and the psychological appeal of figures like Andrew Tate. The conversation closes with a stark agreement—we urgently need to reach young men with empathy, structure, and a meaningful vision for life.

This episode was filmed on July 2nd, 2025


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Read David’s work on the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french#latest 

Read David’s most recent book, “Divided We Fall: America's Secession Threat and How to Restore Our Nation” https://a.co/d/1Ne3VBS 


The $20 Million Mistake Democrats Made with Young Men | David French

In this exclusive Sessions interview, Dr. Jordan Peterson and David French discuss the danger of chasing security when purpose calls, what is surrendered for top-down safety, the ideal social contract our government has failed to uphold, and why responsibility and adventure are one in the same.

This episode was filmed on July 2nd, 2025


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For David French:

On X https://x.com/davidafrench?lang=en 

Read David’s work on the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french#latest 

Read David’s most recent book, “Divided We Fall: America's Secession Threat and How to Restore Our Nation” https://a.co/d/1Ne3VBS 

Sessions | David French [DW+ Exclusive]

Member of European Parliament Christine Anderson joins Jordan Peterson to explain the cultural, political, and economic unraveling of Germany and the EU. Mass immigration, rising crime, deindustrialization and elite-driven climate policies—Anderson argues that Europe is collapsing under the weight of its own ideological delusions. She shares her personal experience growing up near East Germany, her awakening during the 2008 financial crisis, and why the "far-right" label no longer works. If you want to understand what's really happening behind Europe's polite facade—watch or listen.

This episode was filmed on June 25th, 2025


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On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/christine._anderson/?hl=en 

How to Stop Europe’s Collapse: What We Can Learn from Germany's Mistakes | Christine Anderson

In this exclusive Sessions interview, Dr. Jordan Peterson and Christine Anderson discuss the cultural and political tensions surrounding immigration in Europe. Anderson reflects on how Germany, France, and the UK have transformed in recent decades, arguing that unchecked immigration is eroding national identity, social trust, and public safety. She draws on personal memories of East Germany and the fall of the Berlin Wall to illustrate the danger of creeping totalitarianism and the need for dissenting voices. She and Peterson also examine the religious and cultural underpinnings of social cohesion, the demographic crisis in the West, and why Anderson believes the AfD’s hardline stance on immigration is rooted in preserving core values—not hatred.

This episode was filmed on June 25th, 2025


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On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/christine._anderson/?hl=en 

Sessions | Christine Anderson [DW+ Exclusive]

Dr. Jordan Peterson offers a psychological and cultural analysis of the Grimm Brothers' Snow White, using it as a lens to explore evolutionary biology, female status hierarchies, fertility suppression, and the pathology of the “evil queen” archetype. Drawing on research in primatology and cultural commentary, Peterson connects ancient folklore to modern dynamics—critiquing contemporary feminist ideologies, careerism, and generational envy, while upholding the redemptive power of masculine responsibility in narrative tradition (and real life). Part myth, part science, part cultural autopsy—this is the synthesis of one of Peterson’s most impactful tenants: stories matter, and fundamental stories reiterate across time.

This episode was filmed on June 24th, 2025.


The Meaning Of: Snow White

Riley Gaines, host of Gaines For Girls on Outkick, returns to speak with Dr. Jordan Peterson about marriage, pregnancy, and what it means to pursue both motherhood and mission in a culture that tells women they must choose. Riley shares how her decision to keep fighting for women’s sports and biological reality has only deepened since becoming pregnant with a daughter—and why she refuses to slow down. The fight was already personal. Now—it’s as deep as lineage.

This episode was filmed on June 23rd, 2025


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For Riley Gaines:

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Watch or listen to “Gaines For Girls” on Outkick https://www.outkick.com/shows/gaines-for-girls?_gl=1*2dhubm*_ga*NDY5NDY0Nzc2LjE3NTAxODQ0NjM.*_ga_4PQFY920BX*czE3NTA5NTg0NzMkbzIkZzEkdDE3NTA5NTg0NzQkajU5JGwwJGgw 

Read “Swimming Against the Current: Fighting for Common Sense in a World That’s Lost its Mind” https://a.co/d/hQOceSV 

Website https://www.rileygaines.com/ 

Balancing Pregnancy, Motherhood and Work | Riley Gaines

In this exclusive Sessions interview, Dr. Jordan Peterson and Riley Gaines discuss her ongoing fight for women’s rights in sports, the radicalization of college students—especially after October 7th, and how her motherhood is reinforcing as well as reshaping her central compass.

This episode was filmed on June 23rd, 2025


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For Riley Gaines:

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Watch or listen to “Gaines For Girls” on Outkick https://www.outkick.com/shows/gaines-for-girls?_gl=1*2dhubm*_ga*NDY5NDY0Nzc2LjE3NTAxODQ0NjM.*_ga_4PQFY920BX*czE3NTA5NTg0NzMkbzIkZzEkdDE3NTA5NTg0NzQkajU5JGwwJGgw 

Read “Swimming Against the Current: Fighting for Common Sense in a World That’s Lost its Mind” https://a.co/d/hQOceSV 

Website https://www.rileygaines.com/ 

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