Appearing on Fox News’ “The Story” with host Martha MacCullum on Monday, Daily Wire Editor-in-Chief Ben Shapiro explained why the remarks of Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib about the Holocaust and the creation of the state of Israel were anti-Semitic, noting, “She creates this utterly fictional account where Palestinian Arabs were welcoming Jews into the British Palestine. That, of course, is not only untrue; it is the precise reverse of history.” He continued, “She, along with Ilhan Omar, is part of an anti-Semitic Democratic Party now being protected by the Democratic leadership.”
When MacCullum asked about Tlaib’s further remarks in which she pushed for a one-state solution and seemingly pushed for a non-religious state in which Palestinians and Jews could live together, Shapiro asserted, “Very odd that she doesn’t seem to care about the 50-odd Muslim states that exist on planet Earth if she’s so interested in the separation of church and state and disestablishment of any official religion.”
MacCallum also asked Shapiro about the movement led by leftist actress Alyssa Milano that enjoined women to deny sex to the men in their lives to protest the numerous “heartbeat bills” that would ban abortions if a fetus showed a heartbeat. Shapiro quipped: “I’m glad that Alyssa Milano has finally discovered traditional marriage. That’s exciting. I’m glad that Democrats in Hollywood are finally discovering ‘Hey! Wait a second! Sex might have something to do with making babies and if we don’t want to make babies then maybe we should just not have sex!'” He added, “More power to feminists: If they don’t wish to have sex and they wish to do it in the name of apparently preserving the lives of the unborn, welcome to the club, guys.”
MacCullum began by playing a clip of Tlaib saying, “There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews …”
MacCullum stated, “Those comments from Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib have set up a wave of backlash tonight, the president tweeting this: ‘Democrat Rep. Tlaib is being slammed for her horrible and highly insensitive statement on the Holocaust. She obviously has tremendous hatred of Israel and the Jewish people. Can you imagine what would happen if I ever said what she said, and says?'” MacCullum asked Shapiro for his reaction to what Tlaib said.
There’s the stuff that she said that’s anti-Semitic and then there is the stuff that she said that is not anti-Semitic. The stuff that she said that is not anti-Semitic is the stuff where she actually laments the Holocaust and so people are getting that wrong; the stuff that she said that is actually anti-Semitic is the part where she talks about, effectively, Israel being created post-Holocaust as a sop to to the Jews. That is historically inaccurate and wipes away the entire Jewish history of the land, which is 3,000 years old. The Balfour declaration, signed in 1917, already started establishing a Jewish Israel.
And then she creates this utterly fictional account where Palestinian Arabs were welcoming Jews into the British Palestine. That, of course, is not only untrue; it is the precise reverse of history. The leader of the Palestinian Arabs at the time, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al Husseini: he was an ally of Hitler; he was calling for the Final Solution to be implemented in the Middle East; he was stumping for genocide against the Jews throughout his entire career. Palestinian Arab resistance to Jews living in British Palestine ended with the British actually refusing Jewish refugees from Europe in the midst of the Holocaust. So she is rewriting history to anti-Semitic effect here.
MacCullum: Why, I guess is my question. Do you think that she doesn’t understand the history of it or she chooses to see it differently from you? You can’t really get into her head; what are your thoughts on that?
Shapiro: I think that she perfectly well understands the actual history here, but the revisionist history serves an anti-Semitic goal, which is that Israel is illegitimate and ought to be abolished. She’s a supporter of the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement; she has suggested that if you are a supporter of Israel you are guilty of dual loyalty in the past. She, along with Ilhan Omar, is part of an anti-Semitic Democratic Party now being protected by the Democratic leadership.
MacCullum: She claims that she is being attacked unfairly and that as you point out she did go on to talk about the horrors of the Holocaust, the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. But then she goes on to talk about a one-state solution and she basically says this: It has to be done in a way that values around equality and around the fact you shouldn’t oppress others so that you can feel free and safe. Why can’t we all be free and safe together? Palestinians and Jews in Jerusalem and Israel?
Shapiro: Fascinating that she is involved in the push for getting rid of the only Jewish state on planet Earth. I have heard no calls from her for the Palestinian Authority to allow Jews to live within its precincts; no calls for any Muslim state to change its religious orientation; no calls whatsoever for human rights in many of the Muslim countries that she defends. So it’s pretty fascinating to watch her call for a one-state solution that effectively means the end of the state of Israel, which she knows, which is why she is pushing for it.
MacCullum: It’s interesting, because you know, when she talks about it she also said that she is looking for a better way where, I don’t want people to do it in the name of Judaism just like I don’t want people to use Islam in that way. Do you see that comment as anti-Semitic, Ben?
Shapiro: I’m not even sure what that comment refers to.
MacCullum: It sounds like she doesn’t want it to be about religion; she wants it to be a state that is not based on religion where both Palestinians and Jews live in one state.
Shapiro: Very odd that she doesn’t seem to care about the 50-odd Muslim states that exist on planet Earth if she’s so interested in the separation of church and state and disestablishment of any official religion. By the way, Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Muslims actually have full civil rights.
MacCullum: I want to ask you also about this other tweet that came from Alyssa Milano, who suggested that because there are some states that now have a heartbeat law, Georgia just passed the law, Mississippi has it, Ohio has it, and there are a couple of other states that look like they are about to pass it. And she is very upset about this and she tweeted, “Our reproductive rights are being erased until women can have legal control over their own bodies we just cannot risk pregnancy. Join me by not having sex until we get our bodily autonomy back. I’m calling for a #sex strike. Pass it on.” What do you think?
Shapiro: I’m glad that Alyssa Milano has finally discovered traditional marriage. That’s exciting. I’m glad that Democrats in Hollywood are finally discovering “Hey! Wait a second! Sex might have something to do with making babies and if we don’t want to make babies then maybe we should just not have sex!” Gotta say I feel kind of bad for her husband. I feel probably like her husband is pro-choice and yet he’s the one bearing the brunt of this particular decision by Alyssa Milano. More power to feminists: If they don’t wish to have sex and they wish to do in the name of apparently preserving the lives of the unborn, welcome to the club, guys.
MacCullum: It is odd to use to sort of that as a weapon and as has been pointed out in a lot of pushback against her it seems almost like a sort of sexist approach to getting where she apparently wants to go, which I’m not sure exactly where that is. Here is Meghan McCain today on “The View” talking about this and about how pro-life women feel about this whole argument.
The clip of McCain showed her saying, “People like Alyssa Milano need to understand that women just aren’t one section of the population that are like her … For pro-life women like me, which is a very strong tenet in who I am and how I view the world, I believe that abortion is murder, so the idea that there’s gray in allowing murder in the United States of America …”
MacCullum: This was pushback. The discussion was, it’s okay what I think and you think; you heard her not backing down in terms of whether or not there’s any gray with an issue that she sees as life and death: murder.
Shapiro: Good for Meghan McCain. She does a terrific job on “The View.” Obviously the push that all women have to feel like Alyssa Milano or they are not true women robs a lot of women of their femalehood. The fact is that three of the cosponsors of the Georgia bill were women. All of the lies that are being promulgated by the media, the grave lie, the suggestion that if a woman has a miscarriage in Georgia she is going to be prosecuted, which is just not the truth. It is a blatant lie. The fact that it has made the rounds is demonstrative of the fact that if you are seeking to attack pro-life positions the best thing that can you do about it is to falsify the pro-life positions and claim that really what pro-lifers want to do is control a woman’s body as opposed to protecting an unborn human life.
MacCullum: Do you agree legally that when you look at these bills being passed that they will provoke a test for Roe v. Wade?
Shapiro: Well, they’ll certainly provoke a test for the limits of Roe v. Wade. It will be interesting to see if the Supreme Court loosens the standard under Planned Parenthood vs. Casey or that they actually overrule Roe v. Wade altogether. My guess is the best pro-lifers can hope for is the continuing loosening of the standard under Planned Parenthood vs. Casey.