LISTEN: Cruz vs. Beck on Voting for Trump

On Monday, a visibly frustrated Glenn Beck interviewed Ted Cruz about his endorsement of Donald Trump, concluding after the interview was over that he should have backed Marco Rubio, and calling Cruz “calculated.”

Beck began:

Senator, you said you made this decision for two reasons: first, you promised to support the Republican nominee, and you intend to keep your word, and second, by any measure, Hillary Clinton is wholly unacceptable. I want to get into both of those things with you, but I want to start with the last thing that you said. You said, if you don’t want to se a Hillary Clinton presidency I encourage you to vote for Donald Trump. You’re voting for him, and you encourage others to vote for him, In your very eloquent, almost Charles Sumner speech at the convention, you said, “vote for conscience.” So am I now supposed to vote for him, or am I supposed to vote my conscience?

Cruz answered: “Well, Glenn, what I said in Cleveland, and I say today is the same thing: you should follow your conscience. And I believe what I laid out in Cleveland was don’t stay home, come out, vote your conscience, and vote for candidates you trust to defend freedom and defend the Constitution.”

After Cruz pointed out that Hillary Clinton would defend neither freedom or the Constitution, Beck agreed that she is not fit to be president of the United States, but then pointed out that Cruz would not answer when recently asked whether Trump was fit to be president.

Cruz argued that the election was a binary choice, stating, “What I said is this is a binary choice. I wish it were not a binary choice. As you know, I tried very very hard, as did you, to prevent it from being a binary choice between Hillary and Donald Trump.”

Beck then answered that Cruz would not say Trump was fit to be president, yet was encouraging people who stuck to their principles like Beck to abandon them and vote for Trump.

Cruz replied, “You are encouraged by me to do what you believe is right and honorable and principled.”

After Cruz spoke of the prospect of Hillary Clinton’s effect on the Supreme Court, Beck followed up by pointing out, “This is information that you had in Cleveland. … You had all of this information. You had this information the day you dropped out of the race and said that Donald Trump is a ‘sociopathic liar.’ So you had all this information. Have you spent an enormous amount of time — do you have new information that has made you say, ‘Oh, my gosh. He’s now not a sociopathic liar? He is not the guy that I very eloquently spelled out for over a year. And now suddenly there’s a reason to believe him?’

Cruz pointed out that he had had significant differences with Trump, but Beck persisted, “You knew all the things you are saying today. The time to do that would have been the day you pulled out, or the day you gave the speech so eloquently. Why now? What’s new?”

Cruz replied that “the most significant thing that changed” was the Supreme Court list of names Trump released on Friday, including Utah Sen. Mike Lee, a friend of Cruz’s.

That weak-tea excuse offered, Beck fired back, “Why do you believe him?”

After Beck had finished interviewing Cruz, he concluded, “For the very first time I heard Ted Cruz calculate. And when that happened, the whole thing fell apart for me. And it’s my fault. It’s my fault for believing men can actually be George Washington. It’s my fault.” He added, “I should have said, ‘You know who can win? You know who can beat Hillary Clinton? Marco Rubio.I may disagree with him on the Gang of Eight [immigration bill], but there’s about 80% that I do agree with him on, and he’s kind of a politician, but he’s a different kind of politician. He's a Hispanic, he can win — let's go for it.’”

Beck said, "To become the politician is disappointing. Really disappointing. … He’s still a good man, he’s just a politician first.” He later concluded, “The interview pissed me off. That was so calculated that it was stunning to me."


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