Well, members of the so-called "CalExit" movement are just as nutty as you'd expect.
During an equally bizarre and entertaining interview on Tuesday's Tucker Carlson Tonight, the Fox News host invited on Shankar Singam, the vice president of the California Freedom Coalition and a CalExit advocate, to debate the latest developments in the movement.
As reported by Daily Wire's John Nolte, last week: "If the separatist movement is able to gather the required 585,000 signatures, the Sacramento Bee reports that Attorney General Xavier Becerra has granted representatives from CalExit the authorization to put a referendum about California seceding from the United States on the 2018 ballot."
Though it's unlikely the measure will take off from here, Carlson wanted to know if CalExit proponents truly understand the barriers and complications from such a potential move. Singam, however, argued that California's break from the United States does not have to be "hostile."
"Your state or country or whatever we're calling it now," started Carlson, "there's been a massive exodus of middle-class Californians to neighboring states. The numbers are there. You've lost hundreds of thousands making between $100,000 and $200,000 over the past 10 years, and they've enriched Idaho and Montana and even Wyoming and Washington state. If it's such a well-run place, why are the middle class leaving?"
"Tucker, you have to look at the bigger picture here," replied Singam. "The fifth largest economy in the world. Just repeat that. Say it again. We are the fifth largest economy."
"That's the first time I've heard that," Carlson pushed-back. (It's reportedly the 6th largest economy based on GDP, but maintains one of the highest poverty rates in the union.) "It's basically the economy of Mexico. You've got a small number of rich people, the tech people, and then you've got a ton of poor people and the middle class is leaving. That's a recipe for instability. You're aware of that, right?"
The CalExit proponent stopped Carlson in his tracks when he went as far to say it's a "good thing" California is "exporting" their middle class to other states like Texas, which he argued would soon be Democrat blue, so his state can absorb a new batch of immigrants.
"If everyone in the middle class is leaving, that's actually a good thing. We need these spots opened up for the new wave of immigrants to come up. It's what we do. We export our middle class to the United States. You guys should be thanking us for that," Singam shocked Carlson.
"Not only that, when our middle class does move out to Texas and Colorado they are taking our values out to the United States. If you look at Texas, in fact, all the major cities Californians are going to they are turning blue. And soon enough Texas will be a blue state," he added.
That's when Carlson started questioning if the guy was really a CalExit proponent or a right-wing troll parodying a movement member.
"Dude," stated the stunned host. "I've never met you, I've never heard of you. I don't know if this is a parody segment, you know, if you're punking me, or if you're really high and you're just telling the truth because high people do. But you just said you're happy to be exporting the middle class in your state. I happen to think your policy makers are happy that they are leaving, but the fact that you are admitting this on live TV — bottom line, are you being serious?"
"I'm only admitting the truth," answered the CalExit advocate."There's a middle class of people who are leaving California and moving to Oregon and Colorado and Texas, yes, there is."
"And you're happy about that?" asked Carlson.
"I think they'll find out how boring it is and come back," said Singam.
Partial transcript via Real Clear Politics.